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Feb 01, 2018 21:19 |  #16

sfinkernagel wrote in post #18553737 (external link)
Broad lighting usually eliminates them, so you can turn her that way.

Dang! The thought totally escaped me at the time! Thanks for the reminder!

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Feb 02, 2018 04:00 |  #17

ShutterKlick wrote in post #18550498 (external link)
The end result was actually (IMHO) pretty good! Mind you, I am still learning and practicing the art.

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Nikon D5300
Three Godox TT600 speedlights
Godox speedlight controller
Pop-Up backdrop
24" reflector
Three "lollypop softboxes"
Four budget stands
Variable Neutral Density filter
35mm F1.8 AF-S DX (Love this lens!)

The portrait is untouched JPG fright from the card.

Constructive criticism is welcome.


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Hi Andrew,

A valiant attempt considering space-restrictions.
(Quick question: are you asking how this shot could be improved (re-edit & we submit) or are you asking 'us' how and what we would do differently?)

Observations on the actual result:
white-balance looks 'wrong' - so would change this in Post-production (looks yellowy)
Lighting - good & even coverage - although the result looks 'flat' (controlled shadows create drama and brings a 'feel' for what the subject represents)
Subject - I would get the 'subject' to tilt her head downwards on your next re-shoot
Focusing - from camera-perspective, the right shoulder/dress looks sharply focused and then softens to the left -
I am guessing that the focusing is slightly off because her face and eyes look softly focused.
Exposure - i think this is about 1/3 to 1/2 a stop under-exposed. Have a play with the 'sliders' to get the result you want - maybe even revert this to B & W and use PP to create a more dramatic effect as you see fit.
By the way - looking at the lighting setup, I am questioning the position of the light to the camera-left (right of the subject's face).

The important thing is, you have enough kit to experiment with, add-in your passion and enthusiasm to take pictures will only mean that you will continually improve.
a 3-light setup is more than sufficient to undertake single portrait photography, the lollipop modifiers are good enough to effectively diffuse light.
The biggest challenge for you is getting your 'subject' to agree to be readily available to 'model' for you at your beck-and-call!

Checkout YOUTube for inspiration & ideas for setting ups 3-lights in limited space - here's one to get you all fired-up:-
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=g0rF6F5D0_g (external link)


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Feb 02, 2018 04:22 |  #18

For the first shot...what stands out most is the fact that the shot is not in focus. For a headshot, if the eyes are not the sharpest part of the frame, I toss the photo regardless of how much everything else went right. It's also underexposed. I understand the difficulty with contending with the glare of the glasses, but not having a good exposure on the subject is another reason a photo gets tossed. Dealing with glare is a matter of positioning lights and your subject's pose (usually broad lighting). You should never lower the exposure of your lights because of glare. Lastly, you have some really unflattering shadows in the middle of her face. This largely due to the fact that the lolipop softboxes are too small, the light is too hard coming from the sides, and the reflector is not catching enough light to work well as a fill.

Second shot is much better. I would personally have exposed the background just a bit more as the gym adds some nice context...but that's a stylistic thing. You definitely don't want your lights showing up in the shots...reflections in the mirror included, so you need to be careful about placement so this doesn't happen. If that can't be avoided, I'd clone it out in post.


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Feb 02, 2018 13:13 as a reply to  @ post 18553810 |  #19

Gonzogolf, are you trying to be offensive or does it just come naturally?


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Feb 02, 2018 19:10 |  #20

I also shoot in tight spaces so I totally understand. To combat the tight space start with the largest wall as where you will setup your backdrop. From there move some furniture around until you have a comfortable working distance.

As far as the lighting goes play with one light first so you can see the cause/effect of the highlights and shadows then add a second and third light to fill in shadows to your taste. With the first photo the shadows on her cheek can be easily eliminated with posing and light positioning.;-)a


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Feb 02, 2018 21:59 |  #21

AZGeorge wrote in post #18554804 (external link)
Gonzogolf, are you trying to be offensive or does it just come naturally?

I wasn't trying to be offensive. I was trying to get him to look beyond the limitations he's accepted. Perhaps I was too blunt and for that I apologise. But I still stand by the point that if the OP continues to work so close matter how much the lighting improves the work will be ruined by perspective distortion.




  
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Feb 03, 2018 15:15 |  #22

Hey all.. Thanks for the comments and feedback.

I didnt post with the intent on C&C, but Ill always accept it. My intent was to demonstrate what could
be done with limited space and limited resources.

WB: I could try as you suggest and play with the WB to get better color

FOCUS: I agree, the eyes are NOT in focus, however rest assured that I *always* focus and compose,
and I did so on the eye. What I strongly suspect is I had the camera in AF-C rather than AF-S as it
should have been.. I cant think of any other explanation. Ill look at the EXIF and see if that data is
there, however your observation is correct.

For the rest of the comments, Im re-reading to digest, thanks for everyone's time!

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Feb 03, 2018 15:20 |  #23

Well, shame on me... I was in AF-S, so I have no clue how I messed this up!

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Feb 04, 2018 09:52 |  #24

ShutterKlick wrote in post #18555635 (external link)
Well, shame on me... I was in AF-S, so I have no clue how I messed this up!

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Feb 05, 2018 06:21 |  #25

gonzogolf wrote in post #18553810 (external link)
If space allows is a poor excuse. You are spending time and money on tools and techniques that will be undermined because you pick a lens and working distance based on convenience. If you don't have room to make good photos then find another place to work rather than surrender quality to convenience.

Depending on the shoot, you may be restricted to what the client has available. Moving to a different location may not give you the scene you are looking for. It is rare that one cannot get the look they are looking for no matter the size. They just have to have the right lens and lighting to fit that area and subject material. You can also shoot loose and crop, or get close and fill, with 2 different results to work with.

For example, I was hired to do a family shoot. There were about 15 or so people. We agreed to do a nice outdoor scenic set, but when the day came, biting winds and windchills made it too difficult. We had them all stand and stage the shot, then they took off coats, but we could only get 2-3 pictures out of that where the kids were cooperating and people weren't shivering. They decided to move this to their house close by. So I set up softboxes in their small living room with a fireplace and proceeded to do the shoot there. Not ideal at all, hard to set the lights where I needed them, etc. There was no other place to move this too, and changing the date was out of the question. So I had to indeed surrender convenience to quality. They were happy with the results, and paid me more than I had asked for, so everyone was happy. If I posted them here though, I would receive all kinds of criticism because even I am not happy with them, and my standards are lower than many here on POTN.

Personally I am just not a fan of these softboxes. I feel that small flashes or strobes with judicious use of reflector umbrellas and softboxes are a bit easier to control and direct the light as needed than these items. Just a personal thing, I am sure in the right hands in the right situation these work well. I just feel that if I am going through the hassles of setting up a studio scene with stands and reflectors, adding the softboxes that provide more directional and spread control is pretty minimal at that point. I could see those diffusers as being better on-camera lighting perhaps though then a bare flash. I guess I am spoiled by Godox at this point, where I simply put a flash into a bracket, stick on a light stand and stick an umbrella in it in no time at all. The ability to set up a mobile studio is many times faster and more convenient these days. :D


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