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How would you define 'fine erotica' and how should it be visualized?

 
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Jan 30, 2018 07:27 |  #1

I have been working with women for about 5 years now, and both the beauty of the female shape as well as the sexual arousal they can bring interest me. I have been quantifying my work using three key-words, (I'm not sure they translate well in English) FEMINITY, SENSUALITY, FINE EROTISCISM ...
now about the latter I'm not sure how to describe it, and a lot of models tend to refrain from the word erotica/erotiscism/ero​tic, ...
I feel however that the images I call erotic are not at all vulgar, and are often even not linked to being nude or exposed ...
edit.: an example of a situation that occurs: ... some models agree to pose up to lingerie or topless ... but certainly not erotic. ... but according to me images can be very erotic while fully clothed, or be not at all erotic when fully nude ... I find it difficult to discuss this in clear terms with my models. ...

hence my question:
How would you describe 'erotica', and what do you qualify as being 'erotic' ??? ...

interested in both male and female suggestions :D

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Jan 30, 2018 08:38 |  #2

To Paraphrase Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, I cannot define erotic, but I know it when I see it...

Kidding aside, I think nude vs erotic is erotic contains either a direct or indirect allusion to a sexual event.
One nude person posing vs 2 with sensual contact, Nudes in BDSM scenarios as examples.
And of course there are exceptions to almost any I can come up with.

This should be an interesting discussion.


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Jan 30, 2018 10:01 |  #3

Erotic: relating to or tending to arouse sexual desire or excitement.

It's one of those things that will differ from person to person. Someone might find the picture of a woman's feet or a man's hands erotic, even though the original context and intent of the photos was not erotic.

Context and intent are important when you're creating images, but the viewer's experience of the images is extremely subjective.

Given it's so subjective it's really hard to define when generalizing the viewing population but maybe easier as the photographer. Is your intent or is the overall context of the image to illicit a sexual response or excitement from the majority of people who will view it? If yes, it's erotica.

The 'fine' part is probably more about quality. Quality not only in terms of the image itself but lighting, posing, scene, props, composition, colour, contrast, etc. and the time invested in getting those details right. For the most part I wouldn't consider a poorly lit cellphone shot 'fine'.

It's also hard to separate the perception of beauty (nude human figure as an example) and sexual response. Our brains are pretty complicated. I think it's important when talking to a model that you emphasize that it is not porn and reiterate the fine qualities of the images in terms of art rather than something crude.




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Jan 30, 2018 20:12 |  #4

charlemagne wrote in post #18552276 (external link)
an example of a situation that occurs: ... some models agree to pose up to lingerie or topless ... but certainly not erotic. ... but according to me images can be very erotic while fully clothed, or be not at all erotic when fully nude ... I find it difficult to discuss this in clear terms with my models.

As you and previous commenters say, definitions of erotica are subjective, variable, and slippery. If your main concern is communicating with models and negotiating with them about poses and dress, examples from your portfolio may do better than talk without pictures.


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Jan 30, 2018 23:32 |  #5

OP, I watch your posts and have seen your website. I've seen nothing I would classify as erotica. To me, your work consists of tasteful, artfully done photos of physically attractive females.


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Jan 31, 2018 06:33 |  #6

Bassat wrote in post #18553043 (external link)
photos of physically attractive females.

which some of them out there would qualify as erotic ... ;)


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Jan 31, 2018 07:30 |  #7

OhLook wrote in post #18552952 (external link)
slippery.

Ewww!

:P

Interesting points of view, everyone.

I think there is something important to be said about implying the erotic rather than making it super obvious and in your face. A photo can be erotic without nudity.


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Jan 31, 2018 07:40 as a reply to Left Handed Brisket's post |  #8

I think IMPLYING is erotic. In my book the 'in your face' stuff is called pornography. HAZARD WARNING: we are all working with our own definitions, here.


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Jan 31, 2018 22:41 |  #9

Aaahhhhhh, there's a woman...



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Feb 02, 2018 10:38 |  #10

Flywing wrote in post #18553801 (external link)
Aaahhhhhh, there's a woman...

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Feb 02, 2018 11:08 |  #11

charlemagne wrote in post #18552276 (external link)
I have been working with women for about 5 years now, and both the beauty of the female shape as well as the sexual arousal they can bring interest me. I have been quantifying my work using three key-words, (I'm not sure they translate well in English) FEMINITY, SENSUALITY, FINE EROTISCISM ...
now about the latter I'm not sure how to describe it, and a lot of models tend to refrain from the word erotica/erotiscism/ero​tic, ...
I feel however that the images I call erotic are not at all vulgar, and are often even not linked to being nude or exposed ...
edit.: an example of a situation that occurs: ... some models agree to pose up to lingerie or topless ... but certainly not erotic. ... but according to me images can be very erotic while fully clothed, or be not at all erotic when fully nude ... I find it difficult to discuss this in clear terms with my models. ...

hence my question:
How would you describe 'erotica', and what do you qualify as being 'erotic' ??? ...

interested in both male and female suggestions :D

best

Ludwig

I am a huge fan of yours & I can only think of giving you the very best of advice!

There are 3 issues that need to be discussed.
1.) What is the 'model' actually consenting and agreeing to do
2.) Your perception of Eroticism/..etc is one perspective and very valid
3.) 'Other' people's perspective of what is Erotic is also a valid perspective.

1.) if your 'model' is not reluctant to undertake these poses and is agreeable to 'strip'/wear the suggested clothes - then there should not be any 'comebacks' about the shoot.
Discuss the 'story-board' with them, tell them what you are trying to create, and get them to 'buy-in' to doing the shoot as per that agreed concept.
(I have never EVER needed to ask a model to 'spread-wide-open' - they are shown storyboard that I want to shoot in the context of (cars/bikes/machines.t​ools/lingerie/latex/..​etc)
I discuss and agree beforehand the poses that I must capture - nude/scantily-clad/clothed.
We do practise runs of the shoot so that the posing becomes normal and fluid.
I confirm the lighting setups with colleagues and first-shooter to get the desired look
and then we just 'run and gun' - mostly outdoors stuff around sunset/golden-hour with incredible views in the background.

(I have been a lighting-assistant for about 5 years now on & off, and the photographers have captured the most incredibly looking women and their vaginas.
Seriously, I have personally seen in excess of 1,000 vaginas 'close-up' - and I still find them 'highly-erotic' ---> :roll eyes:

I KNOW - a vagina is NOT a woman!

2.) What you consider to be erotic is a personal opinion and choice that you have every right to feel/think.
'a darkly lit' B&W photo of a cucumber against a jet-black background could be considered 'erotic' to some and yet to others this same image is 'vulgar'/tasteless/cru​de to others.
You are well within your rights to think and feel those emotions. And you can and should exercise the right to do so.

3.) Equally, another person's opinion is rightfully theirs - we can not enforce upon people what is 'erotic' or not.
It is for the individual to decide what emotion they feel from visualising any projected image. that is also their right!

Hence, we are all people with differing opinions and levels of sensitivity / desensitivity.

To sum up - for me:- www.hegre-art.com (external link) (is a masterclass of Vaginal/Phallic photography) ALL of which I find "highly-erotic"
For others, this same site is for others, the epitome of vulgarity!

Just do what you do best - take those incredible, imaginative, themed and creative - awe-inspiring photographs for the world to enjoy.
You have your own style, and many of us are highly appreciate of your work and contribution to this genre.
I have never seen a photo from you that I deem offensive! ---> then again, I am male! :-D  :p :lol: :-P ;-)a :-)


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Feb 02, 2018 12:21 |  #12

I"m making sure I don't read down the thread before I respond so I'm not influenced by others.

Not sure this is going to win any writing awards, but here it goes.

To me, erotica is about emotion, not just hormones.
Erotica should stand on its own even if the model has all his or her clothes on. ( or in the case of written erotica, it should be enjoyable without the sex)
It's not an anatomy textbook and leaves a little bit (or a lot) to the imagination.
A hint of reality with a touch of fantasy.
Erotica tells a story.


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Feb 02, 2018 12:22 |  #13

Bassat wrote in post #18553043 (external link)
OP, I watch your posts and have seen your website. I've seen nothing I would classify as erotica. To me, your work consists of tasteful, artfully done photos of physically attractive females.

Wouldn't that classify as erotic to many?


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Feb 02, 2018 13:31 |  #14

In American English, sensuality refers to all the senses and desires while eroticism focuses on sexuality.

In my opinion, your work is sensual because it appeals to more that just sexuality. That is likely what you are after in the phrase "fine erotica," but your models may only be hearing the second word.


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Feb 04, 2018 11:25 |  #15

It it looks like the face hugger from the Alien movie it's probably ventured into the realms of porn.


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