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showtm490
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Feb 07, 2018 16:03 |  #1

I didn't see anything in the search about it so what's your opinion on it? I've noticed more photographers and models using it for income. A model friend has been considering joining it to see what it's all about but I told her I'd ask around first.


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Feb 07, 2018 16:11 |  #2

In short, it is an "On-going Kickstarter" - Fans pledge a small amount of money every month, in return the artist/performer typically offers something special as an incentive. Early access to content, special exclusive content, etc.

In and of itself, Patreon doesn't do a lot more than ease collections, and offers some pretty basic stuff for communications and management with your fans, and they take a cut of all transactions.

If you have a solid and supportive fan base, then it can be an excellent tool to add an additional revenue stream into things, but it can be extremely slow going if you're just starting out. Revenue generated from it can range from buying some coffee to covering rent or production costs, and it is 'mostly' stable, but with risks of random drops in subscriber numbers. (I know a number of people using the service who were truly crushed around December when they saw some massive number drops - People get to the holiday season and tighten the belts, so be VERY wary of that if trying to do any forecast planning that extends past Christmas.)


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Feb 08, 2018 07:17 |  #3

Luckless wrote in post #18558808 (external link)
In and of itself, Patreon doesn't do a lot more than ease collections

It's a subscription service. It's that simple.

Luckless wrote in post #18558808 (external link)
If you have a solid and supportive fan base, then it can be an excellent tool to add an additional revenue stream into things,

If you have a product people want. Revenue is derived by supplying a product or service people want and are willing to pay for (subscribe). If you don't, they won't.


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Feb 08, 2018 10:26 |  #4

For me, Patreon extends beyond a subscription service. I use it as a simple way to provide ongoing support to two people whose free software I use on a routine basis.

If the model has friends and extended family who want to provide support Patreon might be useful for her. Starting this year there is a new fee structure in place. Patrons now pay all fees. Those amount to 2.9%. There's also some small fee for all new pledges.


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Feb 08, 2018 10:35 |  #5

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #18559206 (external link)
It's a subscription service. It's that simple.

Except there is also the included access-controlled blog linked to subscriptions, which can be tailored to different ranks last I remember. This is a non-trivial bit of web coding that they handle for you as part of their core service. You could roll the entire thing yourself with your own website, and go deal with a bank to handle transactions directly, but Patreon bundles a lot of pretty simple things together into a useful service.


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Feb 08, 2018 10:56 |  #6

It can be a bit hit or miss depending on your fanbase and online presence and what you are giving people or doing for them. Usually Patreon works best for people that are giving something away for free, free software, lectures, podcasts, art, music, meaningful or charity-like support for people/animals, etc. People think they like getting things for free but they don't really, they like to reciprocate.

Most artists offer some kind of access to their art depending on the tier of Patron the supporter chooses. eg. A certain tier might get access to raw files from some shoots, or a personal online conversation with the artist monthly, personal training sessions, stock images, etc. Plenty of creative ways to offer things that people might want. I haven't seen any photographer's Patreon offerings to see what the options might be but I'm sure there are some out there if you want to search around to see what they are doing. Patreon for models mostly seems to work on the "sex sells" motif, offering unreleased images, hi-res images, snapchat, more risqué shoots, some kind of personal interaction, etc.

Not really a lot to lose by giving it a try. I wouldn't push it in people's faces though, just link it here and there.




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Feb 08, 2018 12:36 |  #7

Thank you all. She had a good size fan base years ago on flickr but deleted everything when she got married. She's now wanting to get back into it while also making some money and patreon popped up.


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