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Feb 25, 2018 16:40 |  #1

I used Canon EF-S 10-22 ultrawide lens when I had Canon 40D camera. I haven't had a chance to use this lens when I moved to 5DIII, and I'm really missing it. I have an option to wait for the rumored release of 7DIII and simply continue to use the 10-22 after I get the camera, OR just get EF 16-35 f/2.8L II for my 5DIII. BH is offering $300 instant saving on this lens currently. I can always sell the 10-22 afterward. What I'm more concerned with is the "ultrawide" part given the crop factor. How close are they, both from the perspective of "ultrawide" part and IQ?



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Feb 25, 2018 17:03 |  #2

10mm on your crop gives the same field of view as 16 mm on your 5DIII(and 22~35). IQ don't know, the 16-35 f4 also seems to be a good lens for less money if you don't need the 2.8.




  
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Feb 25, 2018 17:08 |  #3

Do yourself a favour and use the 16-35 f/2.8mk2 and 5d3.

The 10-22 has UGLY UGLY bokeh that is extremely contrasty. It really depends on your application of the crop sensor/10-22 combo. The Tokina 11-16 and 11-20 all have nasty looking bokeh.

Another consideration (I'm considering too). Is to use the new Tamron 10-24mm VC f/3.5-4.5 UWA. It has very pleasant bokeh that has the new fresh Tamron glass.

My 10-24mm fuji with X-t2 produces gorgeous files. Sunflare look ok but my Canon setup with 16-35 DESTROYS the Fuji for beautiful distinct beams. Fuji you almost have to shoot f/22 to get that pointy look.

The 5d3 with Tamron 15-30VC produced nicer images than my 16-35 mk2 but the Tamron is a big massive pig just like most of the pig lens bodies from Sigma. I returned my Tamron because it front focused on the 30mm long end beyond my micro adjust could handle.

You will be much happier with the 16-35 f/4is if you wanted more micro contrast. Only difference I found was that the f/4IS version HUNTED when the sun was entering the lens. Sunflares was extremely difficult to do and the hunting was unbearable for me. 16-35 f/2.8mk2 was awesome for family sessions with sunflares for me.


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Feb 25, 2018 18:43 |  #4

I'll take your word for UGLY UGLY BOKEH with the Tokina 11-20. I use this lens wide open all the time. I barely get anything OOF, let alone have to worry what the BG blur looks like. Care to share a shot or two?


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Feb 25, 2018 21:09 |  #5

16-35mm f4 IS gets better reviews then the 16-35mm f2.8 II for corner to corner sharpness and distortion. I haven't had any issues with mine when it comes to daylight AF: also don't need it as much since it is an ultra-wide.


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Feb 25, 2018 21:31 |  #6

davesrose wrote in post #18572285 (external link)
16-35mm f4 IS gets better reviews then the 16-35mm f2.8 II for corner to corner sharpness and distortion. I haven't had any issues with mine when it comes to daylight AF: also don't need it as much since it is an ultra-wide.

Shooting daylight with the f/4IS version is NOT a problem. If the bright sun is directly behind your subject and you ramp up your exposure to get properly exposure and even pop of direct flash the f/4IS lens just hunts like mad. The Tamron 15-30VC and 16-35 f/2.8mk2 hammers the shot with ease with virtually no hunting at all.

I owned the f/4is and shooting in this manner the f/4IS is more stubborn. This is the main reason why I sold it even though I loved the IQ. Yes indeed the f/4is had better IQ than my f/2.8mk2 version. F/4IS made me look stupid infront of clients as the camera just hunted and hunted.

This type of photo the f/2.8mk2 did it effortlessly and easy. My copy of the 16-35 f/4IS would bzzz bzzzz bzzzz bzzz hunt giving me absolute grief. Hunting in front of clients is not acceptable.

I've yet to buy the 16-35 f/2.8mk3. The Tamron 15-30 cannot upgrade firmware via docking station like some other newer generation Tamron versions. This is why I've returned my 15-30 VC beautiful lens.


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Feb 25, 2018 21:37 |  #7

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I'll take your word for UGLY UGLY BOKEH with the Tokina 11-20. I use this lens wide open all the time. I barely get anything OOF, let alone have to worry what the BG blur looks like. Care to share a shot or two?


It's quite common knowledge that the Tokina 11-16 and 11-20 is silly sharp. Also they both have extremely nervous bokeh. If you read many reviews or even youtube people often discuss the distracting bokeh. I've used this lens years ago and I can fully agree with such statements.

If your shooting landscape you may be shooting at very distant subject/objects. If your shooting human subjects up close it's inevitable to get some sort of background blur.

My 10-22 is not very pleasing either!! My fuji 10-24 is substantially smoother in bokeh.


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Feb 25, 2018 21:44 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #8

I haven't had issues with back lighting....but again, with the wide end of 16-35mm, you don't even really need AF...


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Feb 25, 2018 21:47 |  #9

I am using the EF-S 10-18mm,

in your case, I would opt for EF16-35mm f/4 unless you are shooting in low light conditions.

The f/4 has a lower price (unless money is not a problem), uses a common 77mm filter (vs 82mm), has image stabilization (may not need tripod).


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Feb 25, 2018 22:34 |  #10

AlanU wrote in post #18572297 (external link)
It's quite common knowledge that the Tokina 11-16 and 11-20 is silly sharp. Also they both have extremely nervous bokeh. If you read many reviews or even youtube people often discuss the distracting bokeh. I've used this lens years ago and I can fully agree with such statements.

If your shooting landscape you may be shooting at very distant subject/objects. If your shooting human subjects up close it's inevitable to get some sort of background blur.

My 10-22 is not very pleasing either!! My fuji 10-24 is substantially smoother in bokeh.

Well, I do have to concede the point. UGLY BOKEH from the 11-20, granted. But it is so FREAKIN' hard to get ANYTHING very OOF with this lens that I consider bokeh a complete non-issue.

A few snaps of my grandson goofing around on a recent shopping trip. Both are shot at f/2.8 from about 3' from him, with deep, distant background. The first is bokeh irrelevant. BG is probably 60' back and just OOF. No bokeh issues here. The second one is some really nervous bokeh, but it is 100'+ distant. It is there, but to me, it is irrelevant. I used to own the 10-22. I'd rather have the f/2.8 of the Tokina 11-20. If this is 'bad', I'm not very picky.


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Feb 25, 2018 22:52 |  #11

Tom,

1st of all....your grandson is adorable!!!! :)

The shelving in the toy store is somewhat showing high contrast. I would be certain that some of your other camera gear has a smoother transition bokeh.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=p09kbT-lA1s (external link)

8:34 into the vid he starts talking about the bokeh.. I'm really appreciating how this lens is kinda following the same IQ of the bigger brother Tamron 15-30VC full frame lens.

I stumbled on this new lens while hunting for an alternative to the tokina. However the Tamron 10-24mm is a variable aperture zoom and not constant. I really want a constant aperture zoom for my 80D.


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Feb 26, 2018 06:08 |  #12

For what it's worth, I'm extremely happy with my Canon 16-35mm f4. It has produced what I consider to be excellent images when paired with my 5D III. It's my go-to travel lens.


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Feb 26, 2018 06:36 |  #13

Not picking a fight, just being a voice for a different opinion. The 10-22 has been my most used lens for years. I have never once looked a photo taken with and noticed even a slight distraction due to "ugly, ugly bokeh". Producing any bokeh at all with the lens is something you would have to be trying to do ... like a wide angle macro or something.

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Mar 10, 2018 15:46 as a reply to  @ kmilo's post |  #14

Thanks Milo, for the sample from the 10-22mm.




  
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Mar 10, 2018 16:43 |  #15

kmilo wrote in post #18572455 (external link)
Not picking a fight, just being a voice for a different opinion. The 10-22 has been my most used lens for years. I have never once looked a photo taken with and noticed even a slight distraction due to "ugly, ugly bokeh".

Some might say the ugly distracting part of this photo is located in the FOREground of the shot

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