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Sunbounce VS Impact Panel Frame Reflector

 
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Apr 15, 2018 21:54 |  #1

I am curious if anyone has experience with both the Sunbounce system and this system in the Impact Brand:

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …9x82_frame_pane​l_kit.html (external link)

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …3x67_frame_pane​l_kit.html (external link)

My specific interest is in comparing the Sunbounce Zebra material and the impact Zebra Gold material and in comparing the two brands frames.

Any other comparisons between the two would certainly be interesting to read about....

I have a Sunbounce Big frame with a diffuser. I do not have the Zebra Gold material.

Thanks in advance for any insights or experience you have to share.


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Apr 15, 2018 23:19 |  #2

I have a floor-standing Photoflex LitePanel and several reflector fabrics, including zebra. The gold is too much gold for any purpose I can imagine, while zebra (gold+silver) is not much better. Perhaps these can serve as a reflector of blue skylight for outdoor fill, but forget the studio. The all-silver fabric OTOH is excellent for bounce, if rather intense.


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Apr 16, 2018 00:01 |  #3

I have, from several decades ago, a Lightform frame and panels. The ones that I found of most use was the white translucent panel, the white reflective panel and the black panel (for 'negative' lighting). Gold was far too strongly gold, and silver was simply too 'hot' for my taste. I made another frame from PVC pipe parts and bungee cord, so that I could employ two 4' x 8' panels at the same time.


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Apr 16, 2018 00:17 |  #4

My experience is also that regular gold reflectors are generally not useful for having too strong a color cast.

In my own use, I have used almost exclusively white, black and translucent white (diffusion) in various forms. If I got the frame, I would create my own panels of these types, which is relatively easy.

I am interested in experimenting with the less prominent color of the Zebra Gold material, although I'm not certain how useful it will be in practice. I have seen some promising results from the Sunbounce Zebra Gold and was curious is anyone had compared them.


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Apr 16, 2018 00:59 |  #5

A photographer friend of mine has a California Sun Bounce (smaller version), white on one side, silver/white zebra on the other. It's a very handy system but the constant teardown, roll up, unroll, setup takes its toll on the fabric and it becomes rather threadbare looking in spots. I don't know if they sell replacement material since the frames are really well made and definitely outlast the fabric.

In my opinion, the CSB systems are overpriced for what they are. A $30 collapsible does the same thing and it doesn't hurt the wallet when the fabric gets destroyed.

I would also like to chime in that the most useful of all fabrics are the white and the translucent fabrics. Silver and gold may have had it's days a decade ago, today I see more use of the softer reflectors. I don't have any practical experience with any of the mixed 'zebra' patterns but in theory I suppose there's something to it. In theory. But then in practicality it may not be any different than regular fabrics.


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Apr 16, 2018 01:25 as a reply to  @ -Duck-'s post |  #6

Thanks for the practical experience based feedback.

Collapsible reflectors are, indeed, very useful in many contexts and do offer a less expensive alternative. I have used them.

The advantages of the more rigid frames show up when the reflector or scrim needs to be used in certain circumstances such as mounted to a stand at a steep angle, such as over a subject, where the rigidity is helpful. They also serve better in stronger wind or where a more taught material is helpful.

The one I have is 6'x8' and even if I could find a collapsible reflector that big, I don't think I could mount it overhead.


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Apr 16, 2018 01:42 |  #7

The Impact 4'11" x 6'10" weighs about 5Lbs more than the 6'x8' Sunbounce frame, screen and bag combination. From a video I have seen, it is clear the Impact is not as light as the larger Sunbounce. This is based on shipping weights and it is possible packaging materials are of different weights. Also, Impact ships with a more substantial bag, based on watching a YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=e2bddXOV8lE (external link)


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Apr 16, 2018 07:16 |  #8

If you or anyone is interested in using a 6x6ft reflector, I have this kit and have never used it - happy to sell cheaply:

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …rapid_standard_​large.html (external link)

I'll check to see if mine has zebra gold/silver.

F2Bthere wrote in post #18607607 (external link)
I am curious if anyone has experience with both the Sunbounce system and this system in the Impact Brand:

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …9x82_frame_pane​l_kit.html (external link)

https://www.bhphotovid​eo.com …3x67_frame_pane​l_kit.html (external link)

My specific interest is in comparing the Sunbounce Zebra material and the impact Zebra Gold material and in comparing the two brands frames.

Any other comparisons between the two would certainly be interesting to read about....

I have a Sunbounce Big frame with a diffuser. I do not have the Zebra Gold material.

Thanks in advance for any insights or experience you have to share.


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Apr 16, 2018 12:18 |  #9

-Duck- wrote in post #18607664 (external link)
A photographer friend of mine has a California Sun Bounce (smaller version), white on one side, silver/white zebra on the other. It's a very handy system but the constant teardown, roll up, unroll, setup takes its toll on the fabric and it becomes rather threadbare looking in spots. I don't know if they sell replacement material since the frames are really well made and definitely outlast the fabric.

It shouldn't really be too bad, most of the tension goes onto the reinforced edges and unless there's friction from transport I don't see why it would do terribly in this regard. They do sell replacement fabrics but cost is definitely an issue.

Does the Impact copy have different fabrics available? Seems even more expensive if you don't have that flexibility.

-Duck- wrote in post #18607664 (external link)
In my opinion, the CSB systems are overpriced for what they are. A $30 collapsible does the same thing and it doesn't hurt the wallet when the fabric gets destroyed.

They are expensive, no argument there but I disagree you can just replace them with a collapsible reflector. When you start getting over a certain size collapsible reflectors don't hold their shape well and that makes them awkward, the solid frame ensure the shape and makes handling them or fitting them to grip equipment easier. Depending on how much you value your time and energy, there's a justification for spending the extra.

Another alternative is the Lastolite Skylite system, cheaper but not cheap, they do a good range of sizes and materials though (more than CSB I think?).




  
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Apr 16, 2018 17:05 as a reply to  @ simonbarker's post |  #10

You're right about going over a certain size. A rigid frame is definitely a must. I hadn't considered that aspect.

Personally I am of the DIY mentality. I have two 6'x6' PVC frames with white diffusion fabric panels. I don't use them often enough to warrant buying something commercially made so this fits my needs just fine. If PVC is too fragile aluminum frames are cheap enough to source and you can get them to size.

On a side note; I got a chuckle out of this bit of copywriting on the Lastolite Large Standard Skylite Rapid Kit (external link)

"The quick change fabrics clip onto the frame with a small gap between the frame and border that serves as a vent for stability in windy locations."

Anyone who's ever held one of these knows that's a load of propaganda. Do they really think people are that naive?


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Apr 16, 2018 17:57 |  #11

-Duck- wrote in post #18608110 (external link)
Anyone who's ever held one of these knows that's a load of propaganda. Do they really think people are that naive?

Truly artful and skilled marketing is to take a product deficiency and push it as a product STRENGTH -- and get buyers and users to BELIEVE it!


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Apr 17, 2018 18:19 |  #12

Nothing beats hands-on experience to evaluate marketing claims.


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Apr 19, 2018 00:41 |  #13

Only tried sunbounce once, it was nice setup to hold with hands or through a pole higher up. Others systems aren't as flexible. PVC and portable stuff doesn't work as nicely outside.


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Apr 20, 2018 04:22 |  #14

So...any experience with Zebra Gold?


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Apr 20, 2018 20:55 as a reply to  @ F2Bthere's post |  #15

I would want white on the other side with zebra. Gold I wouldn't need it.


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