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May 02, 2018 20:22 |  #1

I was doing an impromptu shoot with my daughter and my wife was assisting yesterday evening.

After going through the images to pick ones to keep or toss, I found these two and wondered why there was such a difference. I recalled after looking at the EXIF data for each image what was going on at the time.

I took the 1st image (small town, very little traffic at this time of day) with my 7D MkII and a 17-40mmL at 40mm f/5.6, realized I wanted more bokeh and compression, so I mounted my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS within 4 minutes, took a few steps back, set to 165mm at f/2.8 and had my wife hold a silver reflector to light my daughter on the "shadow" side.

I'm no pro, just a dad with a camera, but the difference between a "snapshot" looking image vs a good looking portrait, even with L-Glass is knowing your gear and realizing the differences each will give.

There's a pretty stark difference between these two images and I hope this serves as a decent example for someone.


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May 02, 2018 20:26 |  #2

Wow-
Same location and time? I infer that from your post. That is a dramatic difference. Thanks for sharing!




  
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May 02, 2018 20:28 |  #3

That would be lens selection AND light manipulation, no?;-)a


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May 02, 2018 20:29 |  #4

Capn Jack wrote in post #18618463 (external link)
Wow-
Same location and time? I infer that from your post. That is a dramatic difference. Thanks for sharing!

Same place, and within 4 minutes of each other (according to EXIF).

Thanks!


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May 02, 2018 20:33 |  #5

Knowing the properties helps you figure out how to get what you want out of a shot.

I'm super curious how you figured to get in the middle of a street with power lines and what was appealing about any of it in general though. Nothing wrong with a full depth of field shot, if the environment is pleasing.

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May 02, 2018 20:35 |  #6

Wow.

I love my 70-200 as well. Taking a few steps back and opening it up yields some really great results.


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May 02, 2018 20:49 |  #7

rhuel wrote in post #18618462 (external link)
I was doing an impromptu shoot with my daughter and my wife was assisting yesterday evening.

After going through the images to pick ones to keep or toss, I found these two and wondered why there was such a difference. I recalled after looking at the EXIF data for each image what was going on at the time.

I took the 1st image (small town, very little traffic at this time of day) with my 7D MkII and a 17-40mmL at 40mm f/5.6, realized I wanted more bokeh and compression, so I mounted my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS within 4 minutes, took a few steps back, set to 165mm at f/2.8 and had my wife hold a silver reflector to light my daughter on the "shadow" side.

I'm no pro, just a dad with a camera, but the difference between a "snapshot" looking image vs a good looking portrait, even with L-Glass is knowing your gear and realizing the differences each will give.

There's a pretty stark difference between these two images and I hope this serves as a decent example for someone.
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Very nice example. A few months ago, I bought a 70-200 f.2.8 for people since my birding lens is often too long... and the larger aperture helps as well. I love those longer focal lengths for portraits.


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May 02, 2018 20:50 |  #8

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Knowing the properties helps you figure out how to get what you want out of a shot.

I'm super curious how you figured to get in the middle of a street with power lines and what was appealing about any of it in general though. Nothing wrong with a full depth of field shot, if the environment is pleasing.

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Well, we were just walking around town and I saw the sun beaming through the different buildings and my daughter said, ooo let's take a shot here. I thought that's probably not going to look good, but the light here is kind of nice, so let's give it a shot. There was nothing that really appealed to me other than the light coming in from behind/side.

After the 1st shot, I realized the lighting was far better than the location and I thought I might be able to work with it, so I swapped lenses, had my wife manipulate the light (bpiper7) and gave it a go. I saw the parking meters reflecting in the 1st image so I thought if I compressed the background with a longer focal length, it might look cool.

As I said, it was totally an impromptu shoot, no plan at all in mind. We just roamed around town and talked about stuff and stopped along the way to take some pictures. If we got something nice, bonus, if not, we spent some time hanging out together :)

Thanks for the comment!


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May 02, 2018 20:55 |  #9

rhuel wrote in post #18618477 (external link)
Well, we were just walking around town and I saw the sun beaming through the different buildings and my daughter said, ooo let's take a shot here. I thought that's probably not going to look good, but the light here is kind of nice, so let's give it a shot. There was nothing that really appealed to me other than the light coming in from behind/side.

After the 1st shot, I realized the lighting was far better than the location and I thought I might be able to work with it, so I swapped lenses, had my wife manipulate the light (bpiper7) and gave it a go. I saw the parking meters reflecting in the 1st image so I thought if I compressed the background with a longer focal length, it might look cool.

As I said, it was totally an impromptu shoot, no plan at all in mind. We just roamed around town and talked about stuff and stopped along the way to take some pictures. If we got something nice, bonus, if not, we spent some time hanging out together :)

Thanks for the comment!

Love the story behind the photo. I'm not sure what "the light (bpiper7) means. I did google it with mixed results. There is a bpiper7 who is a member of POTN. So.... if you wouldn't mind explaining for me, I'd appreciate it.


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May 02, 2018 20:59 |  #10

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Love the story behind the photo. I'm not sure what "the light (bpiper7) means. I did google it with mixed results. There is a bpiper7 who is a member of POTN. So.... if you wouldn't mind explaining for me, I'd appreciate it.

HA!!

A few posts above yours the member bpiper7 made the observation "That would be lens selection AND light manipulation, no?" So, I was referencing the comment :)


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May 02, 2018 21:04 |  #11

rhuel wrote in post #18618481 (external link)
HA!!

A few posts above yours the member bpiper7 made the observation "That would be lens selection AND light manipulation, no?" So, I was referencing the comment :)

ummm duh... I totally missed his name. My bad. Anyway, your daughter will treasure that photograph... well done.


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May 02, 2018 21:06 |  #12

Yup! Since Ive discovered quality glass, Ive grown quite poor..

My most recent purchase, Nikkor 105mm f2.8 is one of my most prized pieces of glass. Then I found a Tokina 11-18 f2.8 on ebay, and well.. needed a nice wide angle lens.. Well it should be here next week. HA HA!


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May 02, 2018 21:12 |  #13

Thus why it is good to understand DOF and the factors that go into it. A 17-40L, at f5.6, will yield very different results than a 70-200 at f2.8. Your aperture and framing (either from focal length or distance to subject) will affect your DOF as well as potentially your perspective. These 2 factors alone can make or break a photo.

Now if you had taken the shot at 40mm at f4 on the 17-40, then stepped back about 5 ft at 70 with the 70-200 at f4, your results would be pretty close.


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May 02, 2018 21:14 |  #14

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18618490 (external link)
Thus why it is good to understand DOF and the factors that go into it. A 17-40L, even at f4, will yield very different results than a 70-200 at f2.8 (or even f4). Your aperture and framing (either from focal length or distance to subject) will affect your DOF as well as potentially your perspective. These 2 factors alone can make or break a photo.

Very true words!


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May 02, 2018 21:22 |  #15

Also once you know the formula, you will realize you don't need a fast lens to create a favorably narrow DOF. There are various combinations and placement of you to your subject to create subject isolation (narrower DOF).

I have many shots at 400mm or 500mm at f5.6 or smaller with very good subject isolation.


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