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May 07, 2018 22:37 |  #1

I'm not usually a fan of the UV filter on lenses, but having recently upgraded to the 70-200, I'm starting to thing I probably need a layer of protection on the glass? Any recs for what might be best? I shoot a lot of baseball and softball games (down by the fence) and worry about the dirt and small rocks. Thanks in advance!


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May 07, 2018 23:14 |  #2

Interestingly (perhaps), I noticed that the 70-200 2.8 II does really badly shooting through glass, but is fine with a good filter. I have a B&W MRC on mine, checked IQ, particularly near MFD when the IQ is iffy to start with.

Higher end B&W or Hoya are going to be fine. There are some newer makes, I have not tried, but I would not try to save money. I tried an ICE filter once, it degraded IQ at long FL (some folks recommended it as a cheap alternative to the expensive filters).

Whatever you get, I would test on a tripod under controlled conditions, particularly at the long end.


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May 15, 2018 13:03 |  #3

I use a UV filter on all of my lenses save for my Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 which seems to get really bad flares with the addition of a UV filter. When I shot the fireworks display last year I forgot to take the UV filter off my lens despite warnings in the "fireworks tips" thread and the photos came out great regardless. All of my UV filters are Fotasy 16 layer MRC, they are cheap and seem to work well enough that I can't tell the difference with it on or off.

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May 15, 2018 17:55 |  #4

Used to use UV filters for protection. Dropped a camera, filter broke, filter scratched lens. No more UV filters for me!




  
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May 15, 2018 20:00 |  #5

teekay wrote in post #18626365 (external link)
Used to use UV filters for protection. Dropped a camera, filter broke, filter scratched lens. No more UV filters for me!

For me it was just the lens, it rolled out of the load area of my car onto a cobblestone courtyard. Fortunately only a very small mark from the broken filter glass. The filter ring did prevent damage to the lenses filter ring, but with 82mm filters, on what is for the camera a standard zoom, I don't use them anyway.

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May 15, 2018 22:09 as a reply to  @ BigAl007's post |  #6

Dropped my 100-400. It didn't have a filter on it so no broken filter and no scratches on my lens.

Does puzzle me why people use UV filters instead of a clear filter. UV filters have a coating to eliminate UV, which is totally unnecessary as digital cameras aren't affected by UV. So you are putting an unnecessary lens coating between your camera and the scene. If you do want a protective filter (that will scratch your lens instead of protecting it) wouldn't a simple/non-UV one be better?


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May 16, 2018 11:09 |  #7

Dan Marchant wrote in post #18626490 (external link)
Dropped my 100-400. It didn't have a filter on it so no broken filter and no scratches on my lens.

Does puzzle me why people use UV filters instead of a clear filter. UV filters have a coating to eliminate UV, which is totally unnecessary as digital cameras aren't affected by UV. So you are putting an unnecessary lens coating between your camera and the scene. If you do want a protective filter (that will scratch your lens instead of protecting it) wouldn't a simple/non-UV one be better?


When I bought the one that was on my Sigma 20-40 when I dropped it, which was a Hoya Pro 1 Digital, the only option in an 82mm filter was UV, which should technically be devoid of any visible colour tint. I remember using Skylight 1B (IIRC) back in the film days, and as well as UV cut they did also have a very slight pinkish tint, I can't find my old Cokin filter to check at the moment though. I know that with colour film they did have a positive effect, especially used in areas where there were higher levels of diffused UV about, such as at the beach, or in the mountains. I know that modern digital sensors have both Ir and UV cut filters built into the sensor stack, but I suppose that you can still use modern lenses with older film bodies, so using UV/Skylight may be beneficial for some at times.

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May 19, 2018 21:43 |  #8

Filters are certainly no protection for drops, that's generally what a hood is for, although on UWA, hoods are not generally useful. I think it is good that folks point out to anyone looking to use a filter as protection, that it can certainly make a drop worse.

IDK what the current situation is, but I found it much easier to get high quality UV than clear filters. And last time I looked for a 55mm the B+W UV filter was cheaper.

I guess most manufacturers make multi-coated clear filters in all sizes now, but they didn't used to and one gets into a habit. In any case they are certainly not cheaper.

I guess a question is: do clear filters have significantly better transmissivity and roll-off? Does it matter? What about the sensor stack frequency-dependent transmission? If there is a good reason to use clear vs. UV, I think many people would be interested.

I actually usually forget to even put a UV filter on when using film now. Probably should remember that in the mountains this spring and summer when not using a polarizer.


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3 hours ago |  #9

I don't like to place any filters on mine, but I always have my hood on even in the bag or case.



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teekay wrote in post #18626365 (external link)
Used to use UV filters for protection. Dropped a camera, filter broke, filter scratched lens. No more UV filters for me!

There is a video on YouTube where a guy does an interesting controlled experiment dropping a weighted (weightlifting plates) steel plunger into the front element of various cheap lenses to see how much weight it takes to scratch and then break the front element. The experiment was painful to watch.

Surprisingly...the steel plunger bounced off front elements without leaving a scratch until he put enough weight on the plunger to actually start to damage the focusing and zooming mechanisms behind the front element.

And that was on cheap throwaway lenses.

Then he did the same thing with filters on lenses, and his result was the same as yours. The plunger easily broke the filter, and it was the broken filter that scratched the lens. Broken glass scratches glass easily; a blunt steel rod scratches glass not so easily.

So for impact protection I go with a lens hood and holding it securely. When there is muck and gradue flying around (like ringside at a rodeo), I'll put on a protection filter.




  
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