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Old 12th of September 2006 (Tue)   #1
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Default WHAT would you do....lens or camera?

....if you were me.

My query is this: I'm considering buying the 30D as a back-up cam (right now I've only got the S3-IS as a back-up and I'm not even sure if it works since we both fell in the lake). I'm not a pro, but I do know that sometimes cameras have to be worked on...and I don't want to be without. BUT I also want (don't need but do want) the 85 1.2 (don't have enought $ for that yet though)...and both are not an option. So, given the choice, what would you do? Save for the 85 OR buy the 30D?
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Default Re: WHAT would you do....lens or camera?

if you are doing stuff where you would benifit from the second body, get it. but if you envision it sitting in the camera bag most of the time. id say consider saving up for the glass. cant blame you for 85 1.2 envy. id like the lens too, especially since i seem to be doing a lot more people photography lately. but wow is it expensive.
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Default Re: WHAT would you do....lens or camera?

I'm not really. The only benefit to a second body would be to be sure and have one, if something happens to the other (during repair time)....or the speed of the 30D, when the 5D isn't fast enough....
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Default Re: WHAT would you do....lens or camera?

How often do you envision sending your camera in for repair? Based on the above I'd save for the 85 f/1.2L and live with your slow 5D.
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Default Re: WHAT would you do....lens or camera?

What Bob says, but get the 1.8 if you don't have it already. That 1.2 is a joke. A badge of honour rather than a practical day to day tool as far as I can tell.
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What Bob says, but get the 1.8 if you don't have it already. That 1.2 is a joke. A badge of honour rather than a practical day to day tool as far as I can tell.
I disagree somewhat. The 1.2 has amazing depth of field and produces excellent images. Also, people who carry it tend to have very impressive biceps.
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I disagree somewhat. The 1.2 has amazing depth of field and produces excellent images. Also, people who carry it tend to have very impressive biceps.
That's just what I NEED! (impressive biceps I mean....the lens is still just a want)
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What Bob says, but get the 1.8 if you don't have it already. That 1.2 is a joke. A badge of honour rather than a practical day to day tool as far as I can tell.
mmm... might be my most used lens when I take other photos than for stock reasons... It's really an impressive lens, but it delivers impressive pictures too.

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What lens would you compare it's weight to? I didn't realize it was large...
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Default Re: WHAT would you do....lens or camera?

It weighs just shy of 1/4 lb. more than a 24-70L.
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The 85 f/1.2 weighs about 1 kilo, that is a third less than your 100-400.

It is also quite big, it looks like a ball. Hence one of its nicknames: Canon Ball (or Cannon Ball, if your prefer).

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Well people always mention DOF but how many actually use it at 1.2? I fancy many shots are taken well stopped down unless people enjoy shooting small objects like coins standing on their sides in the dark I just can't think of a use for it unless stopped down. Nice portrait lens I reckon on a tripod tho'. But I'm still not sure if I have ever seen a shot that is any better than the 1.8. I know we have a little fan base for this lens here who reinforce each others shots ... most others don't ever seem that impressed.

I dunno ... maybe I need my eyes testing and I am open to that. I just put it in with the 24-70mm L and 18-55mm IS as overpriced at the moment, but it's everyone's right to buy and use what they want, just like it is my right to call these three joke lenses.

I really wish I could bring myself to buy a 18-55mm IS. So disappointed in that one.
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Here are two comparison shots with the nifty fifty next to the 85L:

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Default Re: WHAT would you do....lens or camera?

Yeah, i would get the lens... But thats me lol
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Well people always mention DOF but how many actually use it at 1.2?
I regularly use f/1.2, especially when I try to avoid flash.

Besides that, the 85L is also very sharp (photodo MTF: 4.6, compare the 85 f/1.8: 4.1 and the sharpest lens around 200 f/1.8: 4.8).

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