S3 - filter in between tele lens and adapter?

[paavor]

Hi to all. I have been lurking around here quite long time already learning from your messages.

I am proud owner of Canon S3. This is my very first camera ever, and I'm loving it so far! But now it's time to get some filters and lenses for my baby.

I'm going to buy
- Raynox 52 mm adapter kit (incl. 52 mm polarizer and UV-filter). Info: http://www.digitaletc.com/go/item/2826
- Hoya HMC 52 mm ND4 and ND8 filters to cut light
- for more special use Raynox Tele DCR-1540PR (adding some more power to zooming), 52 mm mounting threads, 67 mm front threads

In future I'll probably buy also Raynox DCR-6600PRO Wide lens, but landscapes (and stuff like that) aren't really my cup of tea, so it can wait a little.

Now I have one question (haha - one question? I have many, but with this one Google didn't help). Do I need to buy another 67 mm polarizer filter for tele lens or can I use 52 mm polarizer/uv filter in between of adapter and tele lens?

Those 52 mm Raynox "kit filters" and ND filters have threads, so I believe in theory I can do that, but how about image quality and auto focus or other issues?

(Sorry for my english and grammar, english is not my native language)

PS: I attached two of my favourite pictures taken with this camera with. I haven't done any post processing with those pictures besides rezising.

[Canary]

Dang, you asked the same darn question that I just asked.....o well. I don't know if you can stick a filter in between lens and adapter, but I do know that if you go on ebay and type in "67 52 step down ring" you will get a step down ring that mounts on 67mm threads and has 52mm front threads, meaning that you would only have to pay for one filter and this ring. The rings are like 7 bucks, so it's not really a big deal. I would like to know if it's possible to stick a filter in between the lens and the adapter though.

P.S. Your grammar is better than most people's on online forums or in chat rooms.

[sonnyJ]

Two points

1- you can use the filter between the adaptor and the lens - just remember the filter is not really made to support the weight and length of the lens. The torque on the filter could be a problem

2-Using the step down ring would work but would produce significant tunnel vision and decrease the wide zoom range of the unit. For example, with the TC in place zoom out to maximum width - after a while you will see the "tunnel" view. This would be show up sooner with the step down ring

So if $ is high priority you can use the filter between lens and adaptor - just be careful

[paavor]

Canary and sonnyJ - thank you for you answers

Weight issue didn't cross my mind at all, so it was a good tip.

I think that I first try with those 52 mm filters and if it doesn't work as expected, then buy 67 mm filters.

Once again, thank you both.

[Changeling]

Originally Posted by paavor

Canary and sonnyJ - thank you for you answers

Weight issue didn't cross my mind at all, so it was a good tip.

I think that I first try with those 52 mm filters and if it doesn't work as expected, then buy 67 mm filters.

Once again, thank you both.

Why not just buy a LensMatic 58mm Lens adapter and use 58mm filters, if you come into a really good deal, or have some 52mm flters, get a step down adapter to 52mm.
Canon and Sony Tele adapters are all 58 mm if you plan on a "Tele" so you won't need a step down ring, no fuss no muss!

Example: Camera, Lens adapter (58mm), 58mm filters, Tele .
You could then attach the Tele directly to the adapter and alleviate any strss problems (no filters).
Changeling

[Jon]

The added spacing of the filter may affect your focussing range, however. In particular, I'd expect a slight decrease in maximum focus distance (somewhat less than infinity), which you'd have to rely on DoF to make up for.

[Pixel9ine]

Originally Posted by Jon

The added spacing of the filter may affect your focussing range, however. In particular, I'd expect a slight decrease in maximum focus distance (somewhat less than infinity).

Precisely. This is the most important factor. Displacing the teleconverter forward by adding a filter behind it will affect the optics in a way that will prevent "true" infinity focus. Especially since this is a teleconverter, being able to focus at infinity is essential for those long, far-away shots.

Also, a 67-52 step-down ring is really not a good idea. The Raynox adapter lenses are carefully designed to not reduce the amount of light reaching the camera.. using a filter that's 15mm smaller in diameter than the adapter's front element will compromise your camera's performance.

[jjlad]

Originally Posted by Pixel9ine

Precisely. This is the most important factor. Displacing the teleconverter forward by adding a filter behind it will affect the optics in a way that will prevent "true" infinity focus. Especially since this is a teleconverter, being able to focus at infinity is essential for those long, far-away shots.

Also, a 67-52 step-down ring is really not a good idea. The Raynox adapter lenses are carefully designed to not reduce the amount of light reaching the camera.. using a filter that's 15mm smaller in diameter than the adapter's front element will compromise your camera's performance.

Hello, I believe I am having a similar issue. My camera has a 35-210 fixed lens. I use a .38 wide angle lens that screws onto my 52mm adaptor. The question I have is whether I should buy a 52mm polarizing filter and go adaptor+filter+.38 lens. This would mean the weight of the lens would be on the polarizing filter, although the lens only weighs 6oz (150g).

If I can do it that way, I would be able to use the polarizing filter with the main lens or with the .38 adaptor. I'm thinking that would be better than getting a 72mm polarizing filter to go on the end of the .38 adaptor because that shoots so wide (13mm equavalent) that I'm sure it would pick up the ring on the filter, giving me a 'tunnel' effect. I could just zoom in a touch to eliminate that but would then lose a bit of my wide angle ability.

Any informed opinions on this would be most welcome.

Thanks!

[ceriltheblade]

As far as I understood from various sources, the use of a filter (i specifically looked at circular polarizers) on the front of the wide angle lenses/converters can otherwise cause some vignetting (sp?) unless you speifically get the "thin" version (and even then some brands work better than others). I didn't see the same notation on telephoto lenses/converters, though I didn't check for a fact.

I I might point out though - the wide angle lens raynox HD-7000pro 0.7X has the front filter threads 82 mm as well as the Raynox DCR 2020 pro 2.2X so if you were ever inclined to such lenses/converters you might be able to purchase fewer filters.

and if I may note something that no one has yet addressed - why are you getting the raynox filter set? My mom decided that she was going to get me the 58mm set and didn't know that I already got a hoya HMC circular polarizer. I like the effects of the one filter better than the set and the price difference at the same diameter was not that much. Just my 2 cents.

[ceriltheblade]

BTW, I like your raven

[JustShootin']

I can only speak for the Canon teleconverter, but it can't be attached to a standard filter, as the threads on the filter are much too shallow to hold the converter lens. In fact, the threads on the lens won't even reach the ones on the filter. Even if a filter will fit between some lenses, I just don't think it's a good idea. Why not just put the filter where it belongs, which is on the end of the lens?

[jjlad]

On these fixed lens cameras, you have to use an adaptor tube to attach anything. The lens itself has no threads, because it is retractable and any attachments would jam it as it when it retracts fully.

Thanks for the reply, though. Good advice for DSLR's.

[JustShootin']

Originally Posted by jjlad

On these fixed lens cameras, you have to use an adaptor tube to attach anything. The lens itself has no threads, because it is retractable and any attachments would jam it as it when it retracts fully.

Thanks for the reply, though. Good advice for DSLR's.

Man, we know an adapter has to be used for filters etc! And make no mistake about it, this advice was not for SLR cameras, it was the Canon S3, which is an EVF camera!

[jjlad]

Ok ...I must have misunderstood. From the sound of things it seems like it will be a bad idea to try and screw an adaptor lens onto a filter. I'll heed that, and get two polarizing filters instead, a 52mm and a 72mm. I guess that's all I can do.

[JustShootin']

Why would anyone take a simple thing and make it so difficult? Just screw the lenses and filters on to the dang adapter, 'cause boys and girls, that's what the adapter is for. Yeah it is!