Canon Digital Photography Forums  

Go Back   Canon Digital Photography Forums > 'Sharing Knowhow' section > The Business of Photography
Register Rules FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 3rd of October 2006 (Tue)   #1
T.D.
Moderator
 
T.D.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posts: 33,064
Default Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

I just received this comment on one of my shots on smugmug:

Quote:
Great shot of the capital! I'm a local realtor wandering if I can purchase the rights to use this shot in some of my marketing.

Please get back to me, I'll even send you a mock up sample of the ad I hope to run.

Thanks,
This is a shot of the state capitol. I have absolutely no idea what I should charge. Any thoughts??

Here is a link to the image: http://hoyboy.smugmug.com/photos/87880268-L.jpg
__________________
Gear List
Take a picture, it lasts longer
(My Gallery)
Still creating Craptacular HDR Images. Deal with it.
PERSONAL MESSAGING REGARDING SELLING OR BUYING ITEMS WITH MEMBERS WHO HAVE NO POSTS IN FORUMS AND/OR WHO YOU DO NOT KNOW FROM FORUMS IS HEREBY DECLARED STRICTLY STUPID AND YOU WILL GET BURNED.
T.D. is offline   Reply With Quote
This ad block will go away when you log in as member
Old 3rd of October 2006 (Tue)   #2
floydianslip6
Member
 
floydianslip6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Worcester, Ma
Posts: 332
Default Re: Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

Its a bit complicated since they are going to be using the shot for marketing. The first question would be what kind of file they want. If they want a digital file, how big and at what DPI, the bigger the photo and the higher the DPI the more expensive the shot is going to be. The majority of stock photography at high resolution 9" x 6" at 300dpi is around $400 - $500 WITHOUT ROYALTY.

The other question to ask yourself is do you expect royalties everytime they use the image. Also if the image is a major part of the ad, are you going to be paid per lead that the ad generates??

Selling photography for marketing is a tough call since there are so many factors. I'd leave it to someone with more experience in this kind of work than myself...I'm sure someone else can elaborate. Just some ideas to think about.
__________________
Urban Photography at its creepiest
www.UrbanEden.ws

Weapons of choice:
Canon 350D [Digital Rebel XT]
Canon ultrasonic EF-S 10-22mm wide angle
Canon ultrasonic EF-S 17-85mm general purpose
Canon 580ex speedlight flash
Sunpack QSX 7001DX tripod
2GB CF card

4D cell maglight [aka self-defense club]
P100 asbestos respirator
floydianslip6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th of October 2006 (Wed)   #3
fivefish
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: State of Confusion
Posts: 545
Default Re: Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

Think future sales... from the same realtor, or from their colleagues. Don't price yourself out of a sale but don't give it away too.

I think $150-$250 for this promo run is a good price, and if she decides to do another print run, then maybe charge an addtl $100-200 license per use afterwards.

Then tell him/her to recommend you to some of his colleagues.

PS: Realtors are kinda cheap so don't think big $$$ when charging them.
__________________
Save money! Check out my DIY projects!

Canon EOS 30D, Canon Digital Rebel
Canon 10-22mm EFS, 70-200mm f4L, 24-105 f4L IS
Canon 50mm f1.8 EF, Canon 75-300mm EF lens
Sigma 150mm Macro, Canon 380EX Flash
DIY High-Speed Sound-activated Flash Trigger and Nikon SB-26 Flash
fivefish is offline   Reply With Quote
This ad block will go away when you log in as member
Old 4th of October 2006 (Wed)   #4
IndyJeff
Senior Member
 
IndyJeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 1,892
Default Re: Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

Whoa, whoa, whoa fellas. Don't get to hopped up on the possible income, initially and future wise. First, ask yourself "Can I sell this to be used in an ad campaign?"

While you may rain on their parade and glamourous ideas of using the state capitol in their ads, they will sure be thankful if you ask your attorney, or suggesting they ask their attorney, can they use this without any sort of release from the state. Better to see bitter dissappointment on their face from not being able to use it than to have them with that hounddog look in front of a judge just after he finds in the states favor against them and you.

Just check first....better safe than sorry.
__________________
On shooting sports...If you see it happen then you didn't get it.
IndyJeff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th of October 2006 (Wed)   #5
LBaldwin
Goldmember
 
LBaldwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: San Jose,CA
Posts: 4,490
Default Re: Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

Ok gang,

First images of public properterty belong to the photographer. The gov't cannot prevent or stop the use of images of public(ly) owned property.

I have made several inquires along this line. Just like images that belong to
the National archives the military and several government agencies can;t charge for usage, just printing costs. Your tax dollars paid for the buildings, parks etc. Permits are sometimes needed for shooting in those areas, but the images belong to the photographer.

2nd the buyer of the images may understand some of usage rights. So the seller should act accordingly. Usage rights are sold so, that the end user can utilize the image legally.

Try not to sell all rights to the image, but limited and exclusive rights. If you set up the sale according to the usage + exclusive time frame.

You want to find out what type of material he wants to produce. Newspaper, magazine or TV is one set of rates, web based is additional.

The client will probably want a comprehensive usage agreement. If so something in 1200 to 1500 per year is not unusual. 250 to 400 would be for just one type of usage. As far as lowering the price against possible future work is basically BS. Enforce your rights, conduct your self in a professional manner and you will get respect. THAT will get you future business and allow you to negotiaite from a position of strength.

There are great calculators on the EP website along with some excellent contracts. EP has legal assistance from top attorneys so you can depend on the quality of their stuff.

Thanks,

Les
LBaldwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th of October 2006 (Thu)   #6
T.D.
Moderator
 
T.D.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posts: 33,064
Default Re: Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

Thanks everyone for your advice. You've certainly given me a good starting point. This is all so new to me.

I appreciate you each sharing your perspectives.
__________________
Gear List
Take a picture, it lasts longer
(My Gallery)
Still creating Craptacular HDR Images. Deal with it.
PERSONAL MESSAGING REGARDING SELLING OR BUYING ITEMS WITH MEMBERS WHO HAVE NO POSTS IN FORUMS AND/OR WHO YOU DO NOT KNOW FROM FORUMS IS HEREBY DECLARED STRICTLY STUPID AND YOU WILL GET BURNED.
T.D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th of October 2006 (Thu)   #7
IndyJeff
Senior Member
 
IndyJeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 1,892
Default Re: Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

Quote:
Originally Posted by LBaldwin View Post
Ok gang,

First images of public properterty belong to the photographer. The gov't cannot prevent or stop the use of images of public(ly) owned property.

This is an advertising use and that may be a different set of circumstances, it would still be best to check with an attorney before proceding any further. The state still has the right to control the use of it's property images. I could be wrong but, it would be better to check first.

As an example the state of Kentucky registered the word Kentucky and got a trademark/copyright on it. Ever wonder why Kentucky Fried Chicken is now KFC since Pepsi bought it? How about the Kentucky Derby? Ever notice it is now advertised "The Run for the Roses" by ABC and not the Kentucky Derby?
__________________
On shooting sports...If you see it happen then you didn't get it.

Last edited by IndyJeff : 5th of October 2006 (Thu) at 08:29.
IndyJeff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th of October 2006 (Fri)   #8
LBaldwin
Goldmember
 
LBaldwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: San Jose,CA
Posts: 4,490
Default Re: Someone wants to purchase one of my images!

Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyJeff View Post
This is an advertising use and that may be a different set of circumstances, it would still be best to check with an attorney before proceding any further. The state still has the right to control the use of it's property images. I could be wrong but, it would be better to check first.

As an example the state of Kentucky registered the word Kentucky and got a trademark/copyright on it. Ever wonder why Kentucky Fried Chicken is now KFC since Pepsi bought it? How about the Kentucky Derby? Ever notice it is now advertised "The Run for the Roses" by ABC and not the Kentucky Derby?

For a large nationwide TV campaign I might agree. For a local ad I would not bother. You might call the state media relations department, but it is generally geared to TV not stills. Agreed that each state is different. Checking with a lawyer before I use an image I create? I might as well hang up my camera and get a job flipping burgers.

I do keep an attorney in my rolodex for contract issues. Most lawyers are not really equipped to handle issues as above. It would be cost prohibitive to do this even once for a small case useage.

BTW has every business that uses the name Kentucky removed it from its name?
Les
LBaldwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HDR images make me want to be sick... (he really means Tone mapped images) andrewaaa5 The POTN Lounge 49 19th of September 2007 (Wed) 14:58
2006-07-23 Backyard Images 30D W/ 300 F4L & TC1.4 (5 images) Palladium Wildlife 1 24th of July 2006 (Mon) 14:19
New Purchase lovelace415 Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 5 4th of January 2006 (Wed) 10:37
Chumash Casino Resort Boxing Images [Large Images Warning] DwightMcCann Sports 9 7th of May 2005 (Sat) 02:22
Am about to purchase but.......... matthew-evans Canon EOS Digital Cameras 5 14th of March 2002 (Thu) 18:45


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 21:45.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
This forum is not affiliated with Canon in any way and is run as a free user helpsite by Pekka Saarinen, Helsinki Finland. You will need to register in order to be able to post messages. Cookies are required for registering and posting. HTML in messages is not allowed, plain website addresses are automatically made active by the board.