In the Gym

freefallu · 9th of October 2006 (Mon)

Hi,

Ok I had a brush with low to no light and was allowed use the flash. In hindsight i should have pointed it directly at the subject instead of bouncing from a low roof ( altough i hate harsh light ). I also should get familiar with where noise gets high on the 5D as im " afraid " to go past ISO 400. Anyhow , here was for me the best of the night. Its shot at 100 ISO/ 6oth of a sec at f1.6 . These were two guys sparring. The gym was tiny but highly charged and i felt alive and challenged in there. Its a great photo work out to not have time do do much except dial the settings and shoot. i will be back in there in a week to have another go on the basis i give the owner a copy of anything i get. What would you do to improve your odds in this environment ? With a 50mm should i prefocus for DOF and bump the ISO. Does DOF matter ? Would you freeze it by going AV ? They move sooo fast. A few basic pointers would be nice , although i like something in this image i know better is possible. It was lit with a flourscent and a 580ex of the black roof.

Sledhed · 9th of October 2006 (Mon)

Would be better without the motion blur, bump the ISO. 5D can take it.

freefallu · 9th of October 2006 (Mon)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledhed

Would be better without the motion blur, bump the ISO. 5D can take it.

Thank you for the feedback.

emurph2 · 10th of October 2006 (Tue)

I agree that a higher ISO would have helped. I like the look of a bounced flash and your exposure looks good, just a lot of blur. If your flash was pointing at the subjects, it would have also bounced back at you off the mirror. I use high ISO's all the time. I would rather have a bit of noise and a nice sharp image. I think you could get a bit more depth too with a higher ISO. I do like the way you used your flash and think it looks nice and natural.

freefallu · 10th of October 2006 (Tue)

Thank you. I discovered the " AI servo " in the manual today , but having some L lens experience ( heaven ) I wonder what will happen when i combine this with the 50mm f1.4. I will also now experiment a little with using more than one " dot " to track focus. How the setup of 5D and 50mm f1.4 ( altough my mind now wants a 28 or 35mm prime ) reacts to me using more than one focus point at the same time in AI Servo , will be the subject of my research now , or would it be better to only use AI servo with on focus point at a time ?

I see from this pic that simple things let me down , in this environment ( it seems to me )its not focus and compose its take a picture with focus and composition arriving together. The other thing of course was the ISO. I am amazed at my own aptitude for ignoring the basics. The first thing i wrote in my photo diary today was arrive at the scene and assess light before i start machine gunning the place.. , decide on ISO based on whats in front of me . I arrived with a pre conception of what ISO i wanted to shoot at and refused to change it. I actually took off the 24-105 F4 lens to put on the F1.4 50mm instead of thinking im sinking into darkness at this ISO , in the heat of the moment i note, calm down and remember a photo is focus, exposure and composition.

I also have the lumiquest pocket bouncer which i might try for a bit , but your right i need to avoid the glass on the orther side of the ring.

superdiver · 10th of October 2006 (Tue)

Isnt that what noise reducers are for?...

jediforce4ever · 13th of October 2006 (Fri)

actually I think it looks good with the blur.

A tighter cropping would also help.

freefallu · 13th of October 2006 (Fri)

i sort of agree , but really i have come to see that as accidental. its for me a process of making mistakes and learning from them. Im going back there soon and really look forward to it.

Little Fish · 13th of October 2006 (Fri)

I certainly agree with the need for more speed by bumping up the ISO. Going up to 400 would get your shutter speed to 1/250 and that would help tremendously but I think I would bump it up even faster.

I also would like to see somewhat of a level horizon instead of everything tilting off to the left. I have to fix the horizon in my photos quite often and I find it very easy to do with IrfanView which is a free package (http://www.irfanview.com/). I'm sure there are many other products that do as well but this software works well for me.

freefallu · 15th of October 2006 (Sun)

thanks for the comment little fish, i hope to reshoot soon . i will try to shoot straigher also but think in this case the tilt does something for the picture like conveying the movement.

tikosyn · 15th of October 2006 (Sun)

you can boost the ISO on the 5d way more than that. i use ISO 800 on my rebel xt for sports, and as long as its exposed properly, you wont even notice the noise, especially with the 5d! ISO 1600 photos on the 5d look better than ISO 400 photos on the rebel. dont be afraid to go to past 800. and the 50 f/1.4 would probaby be a good choice too.

9th of October 2006 (Mon)	#1
freefallu Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: madrid Posts: 592 IMAGE EDITING OK	In the Gym Hi, Ok I had a brush with low to no light and was allowed use the flash. In hindsight i should have pointed it directly at the subject instead of bouncing from a low roof ( altough i hate harsh light ). I also should get familiar with where noise gets high on the 5D as im " afraid " to go past ISO 400. Anyhow , here was for me the best of the night. Its shot at 100 ISO/ 6oth of a sec at f1.6 . These were two guys sparring. The gym was tiny but highly charged and i felt alive and challenged in there. Its a great photo work out to not have time do do much except dial the settings and shoot. i will be back in there in a week to have another go on the basis i give the owner a copy of anything i get. What would you do to improve your odds in this environment ? With a 50mm should i prefocus for DOF and bump the ISO. Does DOF matter ? Would you freeze it by going AV ? They move sooo fast. A few basic pointers would be nice , although i like something in this image i know better is possible. It was lit with a flourscent and a 580ex of the black roof. __________________ Cheers David Cowman Canon 5d, 400D , 24-105 L IS :: 70-200 f4 L :: 50 mm f1.4 :: Sigma 15mm f2.8 :: Canon 35 f1.4L :: Canon 85f1.2L 580EX x 2 ,ST - E2 , 2x Quantum turbo 2x2 batteries, Various flash devices from lumiquest and Stofen. Studio: 2 x Bowens 500 with lots of stuff to complement. Last edited by freefallu : 9th of October 2006 (Mon) at 21:16.

9th of October 2006 (Mon)	#2
Sledhed Goldmember Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crete, IL. Posts: 2,510	Re: In the Gym Would be better without the motion blur, bump the ISO. 5D can take it. __________________ Chris Gear List \| Website \| Sports Sample Pictures \| Four Seam Images If you’re good at something, never do it for free. - The Joker

10th of October 2006 (Tue)	#4
emurph2 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 276	Re: In the Gym I agree that a higher ISO would have helped. I like the look of a bounced flash and your exposure looks good, just a lot of blur. If your flash was pointing at the subjects, it would have also bounced back at you off the mirror. I use high ISO's all the time. I would rather have a bit of noise and a nice sharp image. I think you could get a bit more depth too with a higher ISO. I do like the way you used your flash and think it looks nice and natural. __________________ ~Erica~ 1D MarkII, III & IV, 180 f/3.5 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM ~200 f/1.8~ 200 f/2.8 24-105, 90 TSE~16-35 f/2.8, 15 mm fisheye~85 f/1.2~135 f/2~400 f/2.8 IS

10th of October 2006 (Tue)	#5
freefallu Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: madrid Posts: 592 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: In the Gym Thank you. I discovered the " AI servo " in the manual today , but having some L lens experience ( heaven ) I wonder what will happen when i combine this with the 50mm f1.4. I will also now experiment a little with using more than one " dot " to track focus. How the setup of 5D and 50mm f1.4 ( altough my mind now wants a 28 or 35mm prime ) reacts to me using more than one focus point at the same time in AI Servo , will be the subject of my research now , or would it be better to only use AI servo with on focus point at a time ? I see from this pic that simple things let me down , in this environment ( it seems to me )its not focus and compose its take a picture with focus and composition arriving together. The other thing of course was the ISO. I am amazed at my own aptitude for ignoring the basics. The first thing i wrote in my photo diary today was arrive at the scene and assess light before i start machine gunning the place.. , decide on ISO based on whats in front of me . I arrived with a pre conception of what ISO i wanted to shoot at and refused to change it. I actually took off the 24-105 F4 lens to put on the F1.4 50mm instead of thinking im sinking into darkness at this ISO , in the heat of the moment i note, calm down and remember a photo is focus, exposure and composition. I also have the lumiquest pocket bouncer which i might try for a bit , but your right i need to avoid the glass on the orther side of the ring. __________________ Cheers David Cowman Canon 5d, 400D , 24-105 L IS :: 70-200 f4 L :: 50 mm f1.4 :: Sigma 15mm f2.8 :: Canon 35 f1.4L :: Canon 85f1.2L 580EX x 2 ,ST - E2 , 2x Quantum turbo 2x2 batteries, Various flash devices from lumiquest and Stofen. Studio: 2 x Bowens 500 with lots of stuff to complement. Last edited by freefallu : 10th of October 2006 (Tue) at 17:22.

10th of October 2006 (Tue)	#6
superdiver Cream of the Crop Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ketchikan Alaska Posts: 9,831 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: In the Gym Isnt that what noise reducers are for?... __________________ 40D, davidalbertsonphotography.com Newbie still learning

13th of October 2006 (Fri)	#7
jediforce4ever Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 337	Re: In the Gym actually I think it looks good with the blur. A tighter cropping would also help. __________________ *~~CanonGraphers~~*

13th of October 2006 (Fri)	#8
freefallu Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: madrid Posts: 592 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: In the Gym i sort of agree , but really i have come to see that as accidental. its for me a process of making mistakes and learning from them. Im going back there soon and really look forward to it. __________________ Cheers David Cowman Canon 5d, 400D , 24-105 L IS :: 70-200 f4 L :: 50 mm f1.4 :: Sigma 15mm f2.8 :: Canon 35 f1.4L :: Canon 85f1.2L 580EX x 2 ,ST - E2 , 2x Quantum turbo 2x2 batteries, Various flash devices from lumiquest and Stofen. Studio: 2 x Bowens 500 with lots of stuff to complement.

13th of October 2006 (Fri)	#9
Little Fish Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 217	Re: In the Gym I certainly agree with the need for more speed by bumping up the ISO. Going up to 400 would get your shutter speed to 1/250 and that would help tremendously but I think I would bump it up even faster. I also would like to see somewhat of a level horizon instead of everything tilting off to the left. I have to fix the horizon in my photos quite often and I find it very easy to do with IrfanView which is a free package (http://www.irfanview.com/). I'm sure there are many other products that do as well but this software works well for me. __________________ Body: 1D Mark IV, 50D 20D Lenses: Canon 70-200mm f2.8L IS, Canon 24-70 f2.8L, Canon 1.4 and 2x extenders, Canon f1.8 85mm, Sigma 50-500 F4-6.3 APO DG Photos: http://gomajors.smugmug.com/ and http://fle-pics.smugmug.com/

15th of October 2006 (Sun)	#10
freefallu Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: madrid Posts: 592 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: In the Gym thanks for the comment little fish, i hope to reshoot soon . i will try to shoot straigher also but think in this case the tilt does something for the picture like conveying the movement. __________________ Cheers David Cowman Canon 5d, 400D , 24-105 L IS :: 70-200 f4 L :: 50 mm f1.4 :: Sigma 15mm f2.8 :: Canon 35 f1.4L :: Canon 85f1.2L 580EX x 2 ,ST - E2 , 2x Quantum turbo 2x2 batteries, Various flash devices from lumiquest and Stofen. Studio: 2 x Bowens 500 with lots of stuff to complement.

15th of October 2006 (Sun)	#11
tikosyn Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 34	Re: In the Gym you can boost the ISO on the 5d way more than that. i use ISO 800 on my rebel xt for sports, and as long as its exposed properly, you wont even notice the noise, especially with the 5d! ISO 1600 photos on the 5d look better than ISO 400 photos on the rebel. dont be afraid to go to past 800. and the 50 f/1.4 would probaby be a good choice too. __________________ Canon Rebel XT 18-55mm kit Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 Canon 50mm f/1.8

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