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Hi,

Ok I had a brush with low to no light and was allowed use the flash. In hindsight i should have pointed it directly at the subject instead of bouncing from a low roof ( altough i hate harsh light ). I also should get familiar with where noise gets high on the 5D as im " afraid " to go past ISO 400. Anyhow , here was for me the best of the night. Its shot at 100 ISO/ 6oth of a sec at f1.6 . These were two guys sparring. The gym was tiny but highly charged and i felt alive and challenged in there. Its a great photo work out to not have time do do much except dial the settings and shoot. i will be back in there in a week to have another go on the basis i give the owner a copy of anything i get. What would you do to improve your odds in this environment ? With a 50mm should i prefocus for DOF and bump the ISO. Does DOF matter ? Would you freeze it by going AV ? They move sooo fast. A few basic pointers would be nice , although i like something in this image i know better is possible. It was lit with a flourscent and a 580ex of the black roof.

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Post #1, Oct 09, 2006 21:10:54


Cheers David Cowman
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Would be better without the motion blur, bump the ISO. 5D can take it.

Post #2, Oct 09, 2006 21:40:58


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Sledhed wrote in post #2099343external link
Would be better without the motion blur, bump the ISO. 5D can take it.

Thank you for the feedback.

Post #3, Oct 09, 2006 21:45:07


Cheers David Cowman
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I agree that a higher ISO would have helped. I like the look of a bounced flash and your exposure looks good, just a lot of blur. If your flash was pointing at the subjects, it would have also bounced back at you off the mirror. I use high ISO's all the time. I would rather have a bit of noise and a nice sharp image. I think you could get a bit more depth too with a higher ISO. I do like the way you used your flash and think it looks nice and natural.

Post #4, Oct 10, 2006 14:02:24


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Thank you. I discovered the " AI servo " in the manual today , but having some L lens experience ( heaven ) I wonder what will happen when i combine this with the 50mm f1.4. I will also now experiment a little with using more than one " dot " to track focus. How the setup of 5D and 50mm f1.4 ( altough my mind now wants a 28 or 35mm prime ) reacts to me using more than one focus point at the same time in AI Servo , will be the subject of my research now , or would it be better to only use AI servo with on focus point at a time ?

I see from this pic that simple things let me down , in this environment ( it seems to me )its not focus and compose its take a picture with focus and composition arriving together. The other thing of course was the ISO. I am amazed at my own aptitude for ignoring the basics. The first thing i wrote in my photo diary today was arrive at the scene and assess light before i start machine gunning the place.. , decide on ISO based on whats in front of me . I arrived with a pre conception of what ISO i wanted to shoot at and refused to change it. I actually took off the 24-105 F4 lens to put on the F1.4 50mm instead of thinking im sinking into darkness at this ISO , in the heat of the moment i note, calm down and remember a photo is focus, exposure and composition.

I also have the lumiquest pocket bouncer which i might try for a bit , but your right i need to avoid the glass on the orther side of the ring.

Post #5, Oct 10, 2006 16:57:08


Cheers David Cowman
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Isnt that what noise reducers are for?...

Post #6, Oct 10, 2006 17:18:18


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actually I think it looks good with the blur.

A tighter cropping would also help.

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i sort of agree , but really i have come to see that as accidental. its for me a process of making mistakes and learning from them. Im going back there soon and really look forward to it.

Post #8, Oct 13, 2006 11:34:51


Cheers David Cowman
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I certainly agree with the need for more speed by bumping up the ISO. Going up to 400 would get your shutter speed to 1/250 and that would help tremendously but I think I would bump it up even faster.

I also would like to see somewhat of a level horizon instead of everything tilting off to the left. I have to fix the horizon in my photos quite often and I find it very easy to do with IrfanView which is a free package (http://www.irfanview.c​om/)external link. I'm sure there are many other products that do as well but this software works well for me.

Post #9, Oct 13, 2006 13:31:47


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thanks for the comment little fish, i hope to reshoot soon . i will try to shoot straigher also but think in this case the tilt does something for the picture like conveying the movement.

Post #10, Oct 15, 2006 08:15:12


Cheers David Cowman
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you can boost the ISO on the 5d way more than that. i use ISO 800 on my rebel xt for sports, and as long as its exposed properly, you wont even notice the noise, especially with the 5d! ISO 1600 photos on the 5d look better than ISO 400 photos on the rebel. dont be afraid to go to past 800. and the 50 f/1.4 would probaby be a good choice too.

Post #11, Oct 15, 2006 12:27:19 as a reply to freefallu's post 4 hours earlier.


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