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Old 13th of November 2006 (Mon)   #1
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What shooting mode does everyone use most often here? I got my 400D a few weeks back and the second I got it out of the box I put it on M and haven't moved the wheel since. I'm pretty new to photography and this is my first SLR so I thought it'd be best to learn the basics before I let the camera do things for me. It seems like there are a lot of people on here who use auto or the semi-auto settings (especially after seeing the XTi underexposure threads) when maybe they should stick to M for awhile until they understand how everything works.
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Old 13th of November 2006 (Mon)   #2
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I shoot M a lot. When i was learning, i used AV a lot. I still use AV when i don't have time to fully adjust and I know the lighting situation isn't overly drastic(as the shutter speed can drop below hand holding ability).

Knowing how to properly expose is important though. Manual gives you so much power. Even if you decide to go to semi-auto, its always good to know how to manually expose. It's very useful for times when light is tricky.
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When the light changes a lot, in a fast paced situation you can't afford to be playing around with exposure settings, Av is by far the best choice. In flat light manual is excellent, in particular, as well as in any kind of artifically lit situation where you want to dramatically underexpose say, the background.
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i usually use whatever mode i need to to get the shot i want. mostly Av, some M, Tv rarely. I've used P a couple times.
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I mostly shoot M with custom white balance, and I shoot my hand to aid in setting the exposure with the digital polaroid and histogram. In second place is Av. Doing quickie night shots, I've been known to throw the camera into portrait mode and bounce flash into a hand-held reflector utilizing the E-TTL of my 420EX.

So, yeah, M. Learn your settings. Practice make perfect. A stitch in time saves nine. Wait, what?!
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I've been using M since the beginning. Though I will choose Av sometimes if I need to shoot quickly (Av is made for sports, and animals imo).... I never choose Tv because depth of field makes or breaks a shot and I don't want to leave that up to the camera.
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I think M or Av are probably the best two modes for learning in... I pretty much exclusively use these two, I think my camera's been on Sport mode once about half an hour after I bought it so I could hear the "clack clack clack clack clack" of the shutter and that was about it...
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I started off with M, because its the first one I understood in the Manual!
Since moved to Av and Tv...
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For landscpaes Av is best .I shoot manual too especially for waterfalls .
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For landscpaes Av is best
I'll disagree with that (though it's all personal preference of course)

If you shoot with any sort of light in the sky, the dynamic range is going to be quite high. Giving the camera the choice of shutter speed with such a dynamic range can be a mistake, unless you use Grad ND filters to minimise the difference in highs and lows. I trust my own judgement and my own preference to underexpose in preference to the camera's decisions.
If you've got the right scene, I find it's best to take the time and compose the shot. You can wait hours some times for the right conditions, so why leave half of the work to the camera if you've already put in so much effort? Go the full distance and have full manual control of the camera for landscapes.

Again though, this is just personal preference, and I'm not saying Av is bad for landscapes at all, just it's best to have full control IMO.
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I've posted a huge rant about this before ... but I'd like to remind everyone again that M brings you absolutely nothing over Av or Tv. In non-flash situations M brings you nothing but slower shooting. M is there for situations where the internal light meter cannot be trusted.

Putting your camera in M, selecting an aperture of f/4 and rotating the other wheel until the exposure indicator is dead in the middle of the graph is the exact same thing as putting your camera in Av and half-depressing the shutter. The difference of course, is that it takes your camera a fraction of a second to do it while it takes you a lot longer than that.

Putting your camera in M, selecting a shutter speed of 1/125 and rotating the other wheel until the exposure indicator is dead in the middle of the graph is the exact same thing as putting your camera in Tv and half-depressing the shutter. The difference of course, is that it takes your camera a fraction of a second to do it while it takes you a lot longer than that.

For those situations where you need to under or overexpose (as compared to what the internal light-meter thinks is correct) ... in Av or Tv you would simply rotate the exposure compensation dial (which would be exactly what you'd have to do in M mode as well, only again, this would take less time).

As I mentioned in my rant, I understand that some people will have some situations that would necessitate M ... I was using a lot of flash indoors this weekend and set it on M for a few hours for instance ... but for 98% of the photos I see posted on POTN ... Av or Tv would be all that's necessary.

And for the record, being in M mode doesn't "teach you about exposure" ... it does little more than teach you an extremely inefficient method of shooting.

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I shoot mostly in either M or Av, all depends on what I'm shooting. I shoot a lot of animals which is where I use Av the most, lot of times those particular shots only last a couple seconds so I don't have time to fiddle around with more than a couple settings.
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AV is better for start i think. My boss doesn't know what is exposure and exposure compensation so i suggested him start with AV mode. in bright sunny day use f/8 and then to get blurry background or in dark situation use small AV value etc. He did well in most conditions. next step i'll learn him what is shutter so he will start using M mode.
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Most of my photography is of stationary subjects, so I almost always use AV when doing available light. When using flash, I always use M.
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Have to agree with Bill here. It reminds of someone who thought that manual focussing was the only way to go the only problem was that she would manually focus till she got the confirmation of being in focus beep. When I told her that she was just turning off the motor but otherwise doing what the camera would have done I just got a hostile response.

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