Canon ICC Profile Guide - Something New for Canon Printers

[DAVIDD]

I've recently been experiencing problems with a mismatch between my monitor (calibrated with Xrite/Monaco) and my i9900 printer while using Photoshop Elements 4.0. I have built profiles for the monitor and the printer using the Xrite/Monaco and their EZ Color profile building software and even had the Monaco tech Service guy (very good, by the way) hold my hand so I was sure it was right.

I've used the info from the posts on this thread, the Canon ICC profile guide and fiddled infinitely, but still find the printed photo is more highly colored than the monitor. The Monaco people think it is Photoshop Elements, Adobe (their guy wasn't so good) says its the profiles and that Photoshop Elements does not fully support the Canon i9900. Canon (their guy was in between) says to use the software they provide for printing, that Photoshop CS2 is supported, but they don't know much about PHotoshop Elements 4.0.

Does anyone know of unqualified sucess using PSE4, an i9900 and user created profiles? Even a review of the settings resulting from this thread show a variety of settings for Photoshop.

I'm using Windows XP, lots of RAM, drive space. Photos from Canon 20D with Adobe RGB setting. Monitor is a DEll 17" flat screen. I'm ready to buy Photoshop CS2, but I see some indications in the forums that it has similar problems.

I'd appreciate any help or direction I can get i finding settings that work, either for PSE4 or PS CS2.

[maderito]

I don't have PSE4 or the i9900, but the issue you raise is generic to the Canon printers and Photoshop.

PSE4 uses the same color engine (ACE - Adobe color engine) as PS-CS2. From what I read, you can configure PSE4 color management so that it will convert the image from your chosen RGB working space (e.g. Adobe RGB) to your custom printer profile. Assuming you have all settings correctly set up in the printing workflow, there should be no difference between PSE4 and PS-CS2.

That is, of course, a big assumption. In particular, make sure the options are correctly specified in the color management section of Print Preview and that the Canon printer driver is correctly set up for no color management (Color Adjustment: Manual -> Set-> Print type: None).

[DavidW]

This article gives the correct settings for using colour management with a Canon printer driver. Make sure that you print the targets you're making your profiles from with the same settings as are shown in that article - then use the same settings to print using your profile in Photoshop. It's best if you set up the settings as a Profile in the printer driver so that you can easily recall it.

Don't forget that soft proofing gives you the best on-screen approximation to your printed output. See here for details.

This article may help you with troubleshooting. To be honest, all the articles in that area (click here for the index) are worth reading.



David

[DAVIDD]

Thanks guys-
I had an enlightening talk with Canon this AM resulting in settings which gave me good (matched the monitor) prints. I want to play with them a little, and then I will post the results. Maderito, from what you say above, If they work for PSE4 they probably will work with CS2. Thanks David for the article.
Dave

[freeflyfranz]

Originally Posted by DAVIDD

Thanks guys-
I had an enlightening talk with Canon this AM resulting in settings which gave me good (matched the monitor) prints. I want to play with them a little, and then I will post the results. Maderito, from what you say above, If they work for PSE4 they probably will work with CS2. Thanks David for the article.
Dave

Errr, care too enlighten us/me a.s.a.p or at least give me a starting point and I can then experiment with the CS2 side of things and report back. I am struggling to get my ip8500 and CS2 (or anything) on my apple cinema 23" to look anything like each other.

Thanks

Franz

[MarkoPolo]

Thanks, Woody. I used your ideas today and they were a "great" help. With a new computer and monitor I really haven't gotten good print results with my Canon S9000. I had "trialed and errored" my old system to get pretty good results. Well, I profiled my new Dell 2405 monitor and used a profile from Ilford (I used Galerie Smooth Gloss Paper) for the i9000 (none available for the S9000), followed Ilfords paper setting suggestions and got the most accurate prints I have ever made! Thanks again to you and the forum. What a great place to hang out and learn.

[PacAce]

Originally Posted by freeflyfranz

Errr, care too enlighten us/me a.s.a.p or at least give me a starting point and I can then experiment with the CS2 side of things and report back. I am struggling to get my ip8500 and CS2 (or anything) on my apple cinema 23" to look anything like each other.

Thanks

Franz

The first step is to make sure your monitor has been calibrated and profiled. Without that, anything you do downstream to try getting an output that matches your screen will be fruitless.

BTW, welcome to the forum.

[maderito]

Originally Posted by MarkoPolo

Thanks, Woody. I used your ideas today and they were a "great" help. With a new computer and monitor I really haven't gotten good print results with my Canon S9000. I had "trialed and errored" my old system to get pretty good results. Well, I profiled my new Dell 2405 monitor and used a profile from Ilford (I used Galerie Smooth Gloss Paper) for the i9000 (none available for the S9000), followed Ilfords paper setting suggestions and got the most accurate prints I have ever made! Thanks again to you and the forum. What a great place to hang out and learn.

MarcoPolo - After traveling about the world, you've found help right here on POTN. Welcome back.

[PacAce]

Woody, you've been awfully quiet lately (actually seems more like a long spell). Good to "hear" from you every now and then though. Hope all is well with you.

[maderito]

Originally Posted by PacAce

Woody, you've been awfully quiet lately (actually seems more like a long spell). Good to "hear" from you every now and then though. Hope all is well with you.

I remain a loyal POTN member and fan. All is well and very busy. Thanks for asking. I check in daily and post once every few weeks.

I expect to hear it first here on POTN when the replacement for the 1DMKII is announced. My venerable Canon i950 printer is still expecting better things of me.

[PacAce]

Originally Posted by maderito

I remain a loyal POTN member and fan. All is well and very busy. Thanks for asking. I check in daily and post once every few weeks.

I expect to hear it first here on POTN when the replacement for the 1DMKII is announced. My venerable Canon i950 printer is still expecting better things of me.

Glad to hear that, Woody.

[René Damkot]

Some profiles for Canon printers on the Ilford site.

[maderito]

Originally Posted by René Damkot

Some profiles for Canon printers on the Ilford site.

René - Thanks for the link. I mostly use Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl which comes with suggested settings for the Canon printer driver - but these profiles open new possibilities for a color managed workflow.

[Rio Joan E.]

I followed the directions for printing without an ICC profile. All went fine until when in instruction #3 I was directed to check manual color adjustment, select "set" and check "Enable ICM" I cannot find any of these selections. My printer is a Canon Pro9000, I have PhotoshopCS2, and use a PowerMac, OS10.4 Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Rio

[maderito]

Originally Posted by Rio Joan E.

I followed the directions for printing without an ICC profile. All went fine until when in instruction #3 I was directed to check manual color adjustment, select "set" and check "Enable ICM" I cannot find any of these selections. My printer is a Canon Pro9000, I have PhotoshopCS2, and use a PowerMac, OS10.4 Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Rio

It's been three years since the original post which was in the era of the Canon i950/i960 printers, so I wouldn't be surprised if the newer Canon printer drivers are configured differently. As you've said - "help appreciated."

FYI -- "enable ICM" means use Windows "Image Color Management" for color management tasks. Since Macs don't use Windows ICM, printing on a Mac would have to be different. This article covers printing from Photoshop CS2 on Windows and Mac OS platforms:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps7...s7_print_1.htm