300D vs. D70 debate

midnightvue · 14th of April 2004 (Wed)

Just out of curiosity, now that there is a firmware hack for the 300D which gives a lot more features (See http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=7500111) how do you see the 300D vs. the D70 debate?

Chris1le · 14th of April 2004 (Wed)

Well, From what I have read on the net and some photo magazines the D70 has more in common with the 10D than the 300D. Now if Canon actually releases a firmware update enabling some of the most requested features that should help bring things back in line.

Just my two cents.

Chris1le · 14th of April 2004 (Wed)

Well, From what I have read on the net and some photo magazines the D70 has more in common with the 10D than the 300D. Now if Canon actually releases a firmware update enabling some of the most requested features that should help bring things back in line.

Just my two cents.

timmyquest · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

Quote:

has more in common with the 10D than the 300D

Such as the price?

midnightvue · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

I've heard from some D70 owners and the only things that differ now are the colors between the bodies, the dial being in the back (much like on the 10D) and a dynamic buffer.

Canon hasn't released a software update yet but you can download a hack and put that firmware on your 300D. You can always put back the normal firmware if you have warrenty work that needs to be done.

ron chappel · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

No doubt the D70 is a winner.If i was buying again i might consider one but then there are the issues of having to buy expensive new nikkor lenses -allways more $ than equivilant eos and very rare and overpriced 2nd hand.

Also not sure yet of the image 'character'.I really like the gentle realistic colour of canons

scottbergerphoto · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron chappel

Also not sure yet of the image 'character'.I really like the gentle realistic colour of canons

I agree. I love the way Canon does color. My G2 and 10D produce beautiful colors. I just presented some 8x10 pictures of last Christmas to the family. People were stunned by the color. Only problem is, people always say, "You must have a good camera!", and not " I didn't know you were such a good photographer".
Regards,
Scott

PhotosGuy · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

Quote:

"You must have a good camera!", and not " I didn't know you were such a good photographer".

That's because anyone who has ever taken a pic before knows how easy it is!

Andy_T · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

What I find most astonishing about the D70 is its (top) CF write speed according to Rob Galbraith's database ... http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...?cid=6007-6425

Top speed is 4600 kb/sec vs. 3200 kb/sec on the 1D or the very meager 1305 kb/sec on the 10D/300D.

That means it's exactly 3 times faster than the 10D at writing the pictures to the CF card. That seems considerable to me.

Best regards,
Andy

CyberDyneSystems · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

It is considerable andy!

I can't fathom Canon's adherence to such slow write speeds.. granted the 1D was the fastest for years.. no shame there with a 3 plus year old design..

But the 10D-Drebel... slow as molasses at card write..

I wonder how much faster the MkII will be? I am truly doubting that it will be as fast as the D2H which is the current speed champion for card writing.

Haifidelity · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

The D70 wins hands down in terms of responsiveness, card writing and feature set..BUT, it's two different systems.

You buy into Nikon or Canon or Leica or Contax, etc. because of the lenses.

It's up to you to figure out what you want from each companies range of lenses.

-hza

KennyG · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberDyneSystems

I wonder how much faster the MkII will be? I am truly doubting that it will be as fast as the D2H which is the current speed champion for card writing.

I think the MK-II's large buffer makes card writing speeds mostly irrelevant. I believe it will prove to be the rapid fire champion for sports shooters and everyone else will be playing catch-up for quite some time.

photography By Evangelos · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

I am not sure that you can really compare the D70 with the Digital Rebel. It seems the only way you can compare the two is by price only that is it. The Nikon blows away the digital Rebel in performance and it should, as it is a new model. If you want to compare Nikon and Canon then the match will be Canon 10D VS the D70 Nikon and the Nikon wins with it's low price and larger buffer over the 10D and faster A/F performance and great flash system which to me looks like a version of Canon ETTL II in Canon terms. I would also like to say I have never ever owned a Nikon camera in my life and am canon all the way! I how ever did play with my friends D70 this week and was very impressed and in the same time disappointed with my 10D. The Nikon is very very fast in A/F and the White balance was much better out of the camera VS the 10D. It seems to me that the 10D needs replacing soon. It needs ETTL II and the new DIGIC chip and a faster A/F and better out of camera white balance with less processing. Also the Nikon soft ware is much better.

Angelo

roanjohn · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

All the reviews I've been reading about the Nikon D70 have been VERY VERY GOOD. In terms of features, performance, build, image quality and value, Nikon hit it right on the bullseye. And its black!!! It definitely has a big advantage over the Rebel and is almost on par with the Canon 10D.

For me though, it's just "L"acking something.........

I wonder what it is..............

Ro1

msvadi · 15th of April 2004 (Thu)

Frankly, I'm quite surprised to see statements like "no doubt D70 is a better camera" or "The Nikon blows away the digital Rebel in performance and it should, as it is a new model", or "I'm Canon all the way". ( I don't mean any disrespect here, I know that some people have very strong opinions)

Also, I doubt that some of the facts in previous posts are correct, for example D70 has faster A/F. I always thought that with a DSLR A/F depends on the lens.

No doubt D70 has more features, but does it mean it's a better camera? For some people yes, for others not. Does it take better pictures? I don't think so. The Drebel has an advantage of ISO 100 extremely low noise pictures. The Drebel produces cleaner pcitures at high ISO setting too.

For an average user, probably, the difference in image quality is not very significant. But an average user is not going to use advanced features of a D70 like spot meter. And I believe that with right post-processing one gets better quality pictures from a low noise censor like the DRebel has.

The bottom line is, if you are looking for a new DSLR, don't let strong, one dimensional opinions like above influence your decision. It's all relative and a D70 may be or may be not the right camera for you.

Of course, D70 is a great camera, but it does not make DRebel a bad one. They all have their strong and weak sides. Study all the details and see what's right for you.

14th of April 2004 (Wed)	#1
midnightvue Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24	300D vs. D70 debate Just out of curiosity, now that there is a firmware hack for the 300D which gives a lot more features (See http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=7500111) how do you see the 300D vs. the D70 debate?

14th of April 2004 (Wed)	#2
Chris1le Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Gig Harbor, WA Posts: 832	Well, From what I have read on the net and some photo magazines the D70 has more in common with the 10D than the 300D. Now if Canon actually releases a firmware update enabling some of the most requested features that should help bring things back in line. Just my two cents. __________________ My Pictures : My Gear I Reject Your Reality And Substitute My Own - Adam Savage

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Chris1le Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Gig Harbor, WA Posts: 832	Well, From what I have read on the net and some photo magazines the D70 has more in common with the 10D than the 300D. Now if Canon actually releases a firmware update enabling some of the most requested features that should help bring things back in line. Just my two cents. __________________ My Pictures : My Gear I Reject Your Reality And Substitute My Own - Adam Savage

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CyberDyneSystems Admin - MOD OF STEEL... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Providence RI Posts: 33,957 IMAGE EDITING OK	It is considerable andy! I can't fathom Canon's adherence to such slow write speeds.. granted the 1D was the fastest for years.. no shame there with a 3 plus year old design.. But the 10D-Drebel... slow as molasses at card write.. I wonder how much faster the MkII will be? I am truly doubting that it will be as fast as the D2H which is the current speed champion for card writing. __________________ -DRY SEASON- 21 days across Namibia and Botswana Main Gallery GEAR LIST CDS' HOT LINKS My POTN Share Threads Are you shooting HAMSTTR©? ".. It's the customer support Stupid... ...

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roanjohn Goldmember Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,786	All the reviews I've been reading about the Nikon D70 have been VERY VERY GOOD. In terms of features, performance, build, image quality and value, Nikon hit it right on the bullseye. And its black!!! It definitely has a big advantage over the Rebel and is almost on par with the Canon 10D. For me though, it's just "L"acking something......... I wonder what it is.............. Ro1 __________________ www.pbase.com/roanjohn

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ron chappel Cream of the Crop Honorary Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Qld ,Australia Posts: 3,536 IMAGE EDITING OK	No doubt the D70 is a winner.If i was buying again i might consider one but then there are the issues of having to buy expensive new nikkor lenses -allways more $ than equivilant eos and very rare and overpriced 2nd hand. Also not sure yet of the image 'character'.I really like the gentle realistic colour of canons

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Andy_T Compensating for his small ... sensor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stuttgart/Cologne, Germany Posts: 9,806 IMAGE EDITING OK	What I find most astonishing about the D70 is its (top) CF write speed according to Rob Galbraith's database ... http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...?cid=6007-6425 Top speed is 4600 kb/sec vs. 3200 kb/sec on the 1D or the very meager 1305 kb/sec on the 10D/300D. That means it's exactly 3 times faster than the 10D at writing the pictures to the CF card. That seems considerable to me. Best regards, Andy

15th of April 2004 (Thu)	#11
Haifidelity Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 198	The D70 wins hands down in terms of responsiveness, card writing and feature set..BUT, it's two different systems. You buy into Nikon or Canon or Leica or Contax, etc. because of the lenses. It's up to you to figure out what you want from each companies range of lenses. -hza

15th of April 2004 (Thu)	#13
photography By Evangelos Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida, USA Posts: 805	I am not sure that you can really compare the D70 with the Digital Rebel. It seems the only way you can compare the two is by price only that is it. The Nikon blows away the digital Rebel in performance and it should, as it is a new model. If you want to compare Nikon and Canon then the match will be Canon 10D VS the D70 Nikon and the Nikon wins with it's low price and larger buffer over the 10D and faster A/F performance and great flash system which to me looks like a version of Canon ETTL II in Canon terms. I would also like to say I have never ever owned a Nikon camera in my life and am canon all the way! I how ever did play with my friends D70 this week and was very impressed and in the same time disappointed with my 10D. The Nikon is very very fast in A/F and the White balance was much better out of the camera VS the 10D. It seems to me that the 10D needs replacing soon. It needs ETTL II and the new DIGIC chip and a faster A/F and better out of camera white balance with less processing. Also the Nikon soft ware is much better. Angelo

15th of April 2004 (Thu)	#15
msvadi Goldmember Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,034	Frankly, I'm quite surprised to see statements like "no doubt D70 is a better camera" or "The Nikon blows away the digital Rebel in performance and it should, as it is a new model", or "I'm Canon all the way". ( I don't mean any disrespect here, I know that some people have very strong opinions) Also, I doubt that some of the facts in previous posts are correct, for example D70 has faster A/F. I always thought that with a DSLR A/F depends on the lens. No doubt D70 has more features, but does it mean it's a better camera? For some people yes, for others not. Does it take better pictures? I don't think so. The Drebel has an advantage of ISO 100 extremely low noise pictures. The Drebel produces cleaner pcitures at high ISO setting too. For an average user, probably, the difference in image quality is not very significant. But an average user is not going to use advanced features of a D70 like spot meter. And I believe that with right post-processing one gets better quality pictures from a low noise censor like the DRebel has. The bottom line is, if you are looking for a new DSLR, don't let strong, one dimensional opinions like above influence your decision. It's all relative and a D70 may be or may be not the right camera for you. Of course, D70 is a great camera, but it does not make DRebel a bad one. They all have their strong and weak sides. Study all the details and see what's right for you.

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