Will Canon ever incorporate their IS system in the camera bodies - Page 2

calicokat · 23rd of April 2007 (Mon)

I do not think they will, its better left in the lenses

Tapeman · 23rd of April 2007 (Mon)

Eventualy I think they will. Hopefully by then I'll be done buying lenses and bodies.

Hellashot · 23rd of April 2007 (Mon)

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Originally Posted by jacobsen1

Probably not because they say it's not as effective as in lens IS, but they also used to say in camera sensor cleaning wasn't worth anything and look where that's gone...

And when did Canon say that? In Canon's comments about sensor cleaning when the XTi came out, they said they had been doing R&D on it since 1998 and that it was in no way quickly implemented after other brands added it.

FlyingPete · 23rd of April 2007 (Mon)

IF (and I mean if, because I don't think they will) they do, it would probably be in the consumer level bodies to compete with the Sony's of this world. It would not be the first time a feature was in lower cameras that was not available higher up the range (e.g. Eye Control in the days of film) actually the pop up flash is possibly a good parallel here, it is not available in pro bodies as it is assumed they already have a better flash, perhaps the same could be said for IS?

Headcase650 · 23rd of April 2007 (Mon)

Canon is standing behind Lens based IS because its more profitable and they have all the R&D paid for. When they "Invented" IS we all used film and moving it around wasnt an option. I would love in body IS, you would always have the option to turn it off. The competition is getting steep and olympus just announced it first in body IS camera, pretty soon canon and nikon will be the only ones with out this feature and no matter what you purests think, it will hurt their market share.

cosworth · 23rd of April 2007 (Mon)

In body IS reduces resolution. It makes far better sense to have the lens IS from a quality point of view.

Canon goes their own way to make consumers see the light. I've alwys liked that.

Anders Östberg · 24th of April 2007 (Tue)

IS in the lens is also better because it stabilizes what you see in the viewfinder as well as the view that's projected onto the focusing sensors... but does the general camera-buying public really understand or care, or would they rather have IS with all their lenses?

chtgrubbs · 24th of April 2007 (Tue)

No. The can make more money by charging you for IS on every lens instead of just on one body.

EORI · 24th of April 2007 (Tue)

For the same reason Canon opts to place the autofocus motor in each lens, my guess is that they will continue to use lens-based IS: They can better optimize the IS for the particular lens. One reason competitors have resorted to a body-based image stabilization system is due to the fact that Canon had a patent on the lens-based IS technology.

Choderboy · 24th of April 2007 (Tue)

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Originally Posted by EORI

For the same reason Canon opts to place the autofocus motor in each lens, my guess is that they will continue to use lens-based IS: They can better optimize the IS for the particular lens. One reason competitors have resorted to a body-based image stabilization system is due to the fact that Canon had a patent on the lens-based IS technology.

Canon's patent has not stopped Sigma or Nikon developing in lens stabilisation, so why would the patent only affect other manufactirers?

EORI · 24th of April 2007 (Tue)

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Originally Posted by Choderboy

Canon's patent has not stopped Sigma or Nikon developing in lens stabilisation, so why would the patent only affect other manufactirers?

It's my understanding that Canon's original IS patent has now lapsed, which is why the competition have adopted it. I can't say for sure without actually searching and reviewing Canon's existing patents at the Patent Office, but I'm guessing that Canon still has patents on their later generations of IS technology; e.g., mode 1 and 2, 3 stop IS capability, etc.

By going the body IS route, they are less likely to be impeded by Canon's numerous patents on the lens IS technology.

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Headcase650 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,626 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Will Canon ever incorporate their IS system in the camera bodies Canon is standing behind Lens based IS because its more profitable and they have all the R&D paid for. When they "Invented" IS we all used film and moving it around wasnt an option. I would love in body IS, you would always have the option to turn it off. The competition is getting steep and olympus just announced it first in body IS camera, pretty soon canon and nikon will be the only ones with out this feature and no matter what you purests think, it will hurt their market share. __________________ www.JeannieHallPhotography.fotopic.net 20D, 300D, Powershot A540, Nikon 950 (for Infrared), Canon 18-55 EF-S, 28mm f2.8, 50mm f1.8, 28-135 USM IS, Tamron 28-75 f2.8, Sigma 10-20 EX, Sigma 70-200 f2.8 EX, Sigma 1.4 EX teleconverter, Pro-Optic Extension Tube Set, Manfrotto Digi 728B, Canon 550EX, Sigma 500DG Super, 2x Vivitar 283, Vivitar 285HV, Sekonic L358, LS II, CB Junior, Lowepro Mini Trekker AW, Micro Trekker 200, Hand Strap.

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Anders Östberg Goldmember Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,553	Re: Will Canon ever incorporate their IS system in the camera bodies IS in the lens is also better because it stabilizes what you see in the viewfinder as well as the view that's projected onto the focusing sensors... but does the general camera-buying public really understand or care, or would they rather have IS with all their lenses? __________________ Anders Östberg - Mostly Canon gear - My photos

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chtgrubbs Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,640	Re: Will Canon ever incorporate their IS system in the camera bodies No. The can make more money by charging you for IS on every lens instead of just on one body.

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