LOG IN    OR   REGISTER TO FORUMS


Mini-Review of Bigma 50-500 vs Dust Pump 100-400

FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses
Thread started 28 Jun 2007 (Thursday) 18:13   
LIST NEARBY THREADS
 
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
TeamSpeed's Avatar
Joined May 2002
26,015 posts
Northern Indiana
[MORE/SHARE]

Disclaimor: Nicknames are just those seen on other threads, purely used as affectionate terms of endearment, nothing else.

EDIT: LightRules did a similiar lens comparison and can be found here: http://photography-on-the.net ...93&highlight=review​+bigma
This way you have a couple different posts to read to make up your minds between these two lenses!


Synopsis:
I had a Bigma I have been using, and thought with the current deals out there on the 100-400, I would try it out as well. I am currently evaluating how I like the IS vs the shorter range of the Canon lens. The Bigma is very nice, and works well with a Kenko 1.4x TC, however, just lens to lens, it made sense to do a quick comparison.

Hopefully you find some of this useful, I have never done a lens comparison before for all to see, so I hope I kept everything as equal as possible.

Initial Thoughts:
- Both come with good factory accessories, padded case, tripod ring, and hood

- Bigma has a larger pistol grip, much nicer in my opinion for lugging it around

- Bigma weighs a bit more, but also with a larger tripod ring/grip, that might have a little to do with the weight

- Canon is shorter by a small bit at both ends of the zoom compared to the Sigma

- Both are very sharp, Canon seems to have a very minor edge on contrast, color looks good on both

- Canon focuses a bit faster, both are very quiet, and very sharp, looks like I got a great copy of the Bigma

- Canon has a focus range limiter, Bigma does not, so it will traverse the entire range if it cannot achieve lock

- On the Canon, wIth the pump action, if you have the ring set too loose, the lens will slam open or shut if you are not careful about the angle you hold the lense. Not too much loose travel in the Bigma. The friction setting ring also seems a bit awkward being piggybacked onto the focus ring, but I guess you get used to it.

- Sigma is a screw/twist focus, the Canon is a push/pull, but seems to work very well, and I would think sideline shooting of sporting events, this push/pull would actually be nicer. However, to lock the canon, you have to twist the friction ring, on the Bigma, you just flick a switch, quite a bit nicer.

- Price of the Bigma is about 2/3 that of the Canon 100-400

Camera/Photo Settings:
I shot small jpg on all shots, just to eliminate any Raw->Jpg post processing differences. Manual mode was used, 1/1500 shutter, ISO of 400. Eliminated the need for IS, but I was not concerned at this point about how well IS worked. I left it off to keep a good comparison, but at this speed, IS or not, wouldn't really matter. Later tests will be with lower ISOs, so that shake is introduced, but we all know what that outcome will be. ;)

The only post processing steps were: 1) Auto-level and 2) USM of (200%, .4, 0) and applied on all shots.

Initial Conclusions:

They are both built very well, focus quickly, and if you have a sharp copy of the Bigma, they seem very comparable in IQ. I like the smaller and lighter 100-400, but like the versatility and longer reach of the Bigma. I am still not sure which is the keeper at this point, I will need more time with each. As I shoot daylight events with the Bigma about 90-95% of the time, it makes the decision even harder. If I was shooting during dawn or dusk, the IS would be very handy, but becomes a little less handy as the day gets brighter, where shutter speeds can be very high. I really believe that both lenses seem to be very equal, given range, price, and IQ of the two, with just a nice kiss to the Canon for IS and slightly smaller footprint.


Sample Shots:
Full sized shots can be seen on my gallery, the caption states what it was, and photo info will give you further EXIF data. Small thumbnails are below.

http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/gallery/307331​8#167589878external link

Lens Package contents and size comparisons:

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675898​78-S.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675899​06-S.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675899​31-S.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


Test subject at 55mm using my 17-55, to show 1x the subject matter (address stone)
IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675896​96-S.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

Post #1, Jun 28, 2007 18:13:12


Past Equipment | My Galleryexternal link
Resources For Sale: High ISO Denoiser Actionexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as registered member)
TeamSpeed
THREAD ­ STARTER
01010100 01010011
TeamSpeed's Avatar
Joined May 2002
26,015 posts
Northern Indiana
[MORE/SHARE]

All Canon shots, from 100 to 400mm, 100mm increments

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675899​56-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675899​88-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675900​11-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675900​46-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

Post #2, Jun 28, 2007 18:13:36


Past Equipment | My Galleryexternal link
Resources For Sale: High ISO Denoiser Actionexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
THREAD ­ STARTER
01010100 01010011
TeamSpeed's Avatar
Joined May 2002
26,015 posts
Northern Indiana
[MORE/SHARE]

All Sigma shots, from 50mm, then 100mm to 500mm, 100mm increments

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675897​29-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675897​48-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675897​75-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675898​02-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675898​28-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

IMAGE NOT FOUND IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
http://snapintime.smug​mug.com/photos/1675898​56-M.jpgexternal link
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

Post #3, Jun 28, 2007 18:13:57


Past Equipment | My Galleryexternal link
Resources For Sale: High ISO Denoiser Actionexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
Ogrt48
Goldmember
Ogrt48's Avatar
Joined May 2004
1,316 posts
Fairfield TWP, Ohio
[MORE/SHARE]

Both look very nice, much shaper than I'd thought a lens would be that covers so much distance. My only real problem with them is that the canon's case looks like a woman's hand bag of some sort.

Post #4, Jun 28, 2007 18:49:37


Gear List
Galleryexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
Ronald ­ S. ­ Jr.
Prodigal "Brick" Layer
Ronald S. Jr.'s Avatar
Joined Aug 2005
16,190 posts
Sayre, Pennsylvania
[MORE/SHARE]

So, get a Lowepro lens case. Cheap, and nice. I've never once used a Canon case.

Post #5, Jun 28, 2007 19:14:06


Mac users swear by their computers. PC users swear at theirs.

LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as registered member)
cicopo
Goldmember
cicopo's Avatar
Joined Mar 2007
2,998 posts
Ottawa, Ont, Canada
[MORE/SHARE]

I have both of those PLUS the Sigma 80-400 OS and still can't decide which to sell, all 3 deliver very sharp images and the OS although marginally slower than the IS is just as good. Many think the 100-400 L is better than the 80-400 but in my tests it's way to close to call. AF speed goes to the Canon, but again marginally on a 1 series body, a bit more noticable on my 20D.

Post #6, Jun 28, 2007 19:22:44


A skill is developed through constant practice with a passion to improve, not bought.
Cozumel travel & dive photos
www.picasaweb.google.c​om/CozumelTimeCapsulesexternal link
Radio Control Event albums www.picasaweb.google.c​om/tcprcphotosexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
Ronald ­ S. ­ Jr.
Prodigal "Brick" Layer
Ronald S. Jr.'s Avatar
Joined Aug 2005
16,190 posts
Sayre, Pennsylvania
[MORE/SHARE]

Just run out the door to shoot something, and see which one you grab first. Sell the others.

Post #7, Jun 28, 2007 19:30:24


Mac users swear by their computers. PC users swear at theirs.

LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
THREAD ­ STARTER
01010100 01010011
TeamSpeed's Avatar
Joined May 2002
26,015 posts
Northern Indiana
[MORE/SHARE]

Ronald S. Jr. wrote in post #3456609external link
Just run out the door to shoot something, and see which one you grab first. Sell the others.

Interesting, I may have to try that. Currently it would be the Bigma, but I need more time with the Canon to be fair, then I will see what I reach for first. They really are very close, when you compare range vs price vs IS, then IQ between the two. The similiarities are such that if you are an L fan, there is not enough to cause you to switch to the Sigma, and if you go for dollar value and believe that other 3rd party lenses provide that value, you would stay with the Sigma.

Post #8, Jun 28, 2007 19:34:46


Past Equipment | My Galleryexternal link
Resources For Sale: High ISO Denoiser Actionexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
Ronald ­ S. ­ Jr.
Prodigal "Brick" Layer
Ronald S. Jr.'s Avatar
Joined Aug 2005
16,190 posts
Sayre, Pennsylvania
[MORE/SHARE]

The 500mm of the bigma is tempting, but the sharpness and overall IQ of my 400L keeps me staying with the L. In real world shooting, though, I've found that 500mm doesn't seem like a whole lot more than 400mm. Not enough to sacrifice IQ for, for sure.

As for the "grab then sell" method, I've done that many times. If a lens accumulates enough dust on the lens cap to write my name in (if there were that much room), I sell it.

Post #9, Jun 28, 2007 19:38:33


Mac users swear by their computers. PC users swear at theirs.

LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
THREAD ­ STARTER
01010100 01010011
TeamSpeed's Avatar
Joined May 2002
26,015 posts
Northern Indiana
[MORE/SHARE]

Don't forget about the 50mm other end. That makes a huge difference when shooting sports on the sidelines, when Marvin Harrison is about 10 ft from you catching a football, and 100mm would be too much reach. Also, if you want to see the Colts playbook, 500mm comes in very handy. This shot, however is from the older 170-500mm, not the greatest IQ, the Bigma beats it handily, at least in the copies I had. In two months, I will be at the training camp again, and this time, it will be the battle between the Bigma and the 100-400. After training camp, I will know which is the keeper.

HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos.

Post #10, Jun 28, 2007 19:47:09


Past Equipment | My Galleryexternal link
Resources For Sale: High ISO Denoiser Actionexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
Ronald ­ S. ­ Jr.
Prodigal "Brick" Layer
Ronald S. Jr.'s Avatar
Joined Aug 2005
16,190 posts
Sayre, Pennsylvania
[MORE/SHARE]

:lol: Put a wireless transmitter on your camera, and get a laptop for the other team's coach to receive images. I bet they'd pay you a mint! :lol:

Post #11, Jun 28, 2007 19:56:38


Mac users swear by their computers. PC users swear at theirs.

LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as registered member)
TeamSpeed
THREAD ­ STARTER
01010100 01010011
TeamSpeed's Avatar
Joined May 2002
26,015 posts
Northern Indiana
[MORE/SHARE]

Ronald S. Jr. wrote in post #3456747external link
:lol: Put a wireless transmitter on your camera, and get a laptop for the other team's coach to receive images. I bet they'd pay you a mint! :lol:

LOL, I have gotten many comments about some of the playbook pics I have. Funny, out of the pics I took, I only consider about 5 or so that were any good last year. I need to work on my technique and composition this year.

This was one of my favs, taken at 170mm of the old Sigma I had. Had to sit in the stands just to get far enough back. This year, the 50mm range on the Bigma will come in handy. Go Marvin!

When camp is closer, I will have to open up a thread and see how many POTNers can show up in Terre Haute at Rose Hulman, my alma mater. There are no fences or anything really stopping you from getting in close to the action, other than the hundreds of other fans that are there to watch.

HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos.

Post #12, Jun 28, 2007 20:09:36


Past Equipment | My Galleryexternal link
Resources For Sale: High ISO Denoiser Actionexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
grimreaper
Senior Member
grimreaper's Avatar
Joined Dec 2005
555 posts
Midlands, England
[MORE/SHARE]

the range on that bigma looks great

Post #13, Jun 28, 2007 21:43:17


:D Any Photo is better than none:D
All the best, James.

LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
THREAD ­ STARTER
01010100 01010011
TeamSpeed's Avatar
Joined May 2002
26,015 posts
Northern Indiana
[MORE/SHARE]

Here are two sample shots of wildlife, the rabbit was with the bigma and the robin with the 100-400. These pics were heavily compressed, the robin at 50% and the bunny at 40%. Both are very sharp, I am really appreciating the Bigma currently. Larger pics available on the smugmug album for this review.

Robin: http://snapintime.smug​mug.com ...ry/3073318#16895546​7-L-LBexternal link
Bunny Wabbit: http://snapintime.smug​mug.com ...ry/3073318#16895553​3-L-LBexternal link

HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos.

HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos.

Post #14, Jul 02, 2007 21:44:25


Past Equipment | My Galleryexternal link
Resources For Sale: High ISO Denoiser Actionexternal link

LOG IN TO REPLY
ScottE
Goldmember
Joined Oct 2004
3,179 posts
Kelowna, Canada
[MORE/SHARE]

I compared the 50-500 and 100-400 about six or seven years ago and could not find much difference in image quality then. If either had any advantage it was the Bigma at 400 mm, but the difference was too little to matter.

To me the choice was between whether I needed the 50-500 zoom range or the image stabilization more. I ususally use a telephoto lens on a tripod so I chose the zoom range. The have been a few times when I had to shoot hand held in low light when I was sorry I did not have the image stabilization, but there have been many more times when I was shooting at 500 and glad I had at least that much length.

I am going on another trip to Africa in September and have just ordered the Canon 70-300 IS DO for the times when I won't be able to shoot hand held. On my 20D it will be like having a 112-480 image stabilized lens on my film camera so it should fill much the same use that the 50-500 did when I shot film. I will still have the 50-500 for those longer shots of birds.

Post #15, Jul 03, 2007 00:20:05




LOG IN TO REPLY


LIST NEARBY THREADS
10,078 views & 0 likes for this thread
Mini-Review of Bigma 50-500 vs Dust Pump 100-400
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses



NOT A MEMBER YET? CLICK HERE TO REGISTER TO FORUMS

CHANGE BODY TEXT SIZE FOR ALL THREAD PAGES
POWERED BY AMASS 1.0version 1.0
made in Finland
by Pekka Saarinen
for photography-on-the.net


SEND FEEDBACK TO STAFF  |  JUMP TO FORUM...  |  FORUM RULES


Spent 0.00087 for 4 database queries.
PAGE COMPLETED IN 0.04s
847 guests, 783 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 3341, that happened on Dec 11, 2014
Latest registered member is gar612

COOKIES DISCLAIMER: By using this site you agree that some cookies will be stored on your browser. For unlogged users we store one session id cookie. For registered members we store (in addition to login session cookie) only cookies that are essential for required functionality, we do not store any personal tracking data in cookies or other browser's data storage methods.