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Dec 15, 2004 08:43 |  #1

I have a 1D MKII and wonder should I change to 1DS MKII?

Or simply buy an additional 1DS MKII.

How about the AF speed of IDS MKII? Is it as fast as 1D MKII?

Please help to make decision.




  
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Dec 15, 2004 10:18 |  #2

Same thing everyone says,
What are you planning on shooting with you cameras?

If sports or PJ, keep your 1D2. You need the 8FPS more then resolution.
If studio/portraits/lands​cape go to the 1DsMkII. You need the resolution.
If both, get both.

The 1DsMkII is an amazing camera and with some luck I hope to do a side-by-side comparison netween mine and someone else's 1D2 late next week.

As to your question of AF speed, it is at least as fast to the best of my ability to determine at this time.


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Dec 15, 2004 10:43 as a reply to  @ Longwatcher's post |  #3

I like to take:
1. Real life action, people passing by;
2. Natural;
3. Motor sport;
4. But not football nor other action game.
5. Marco, very close up.

But my buget is only good enough to have either 1DS MKII or 1D MKII. And I already have the 1D MKII, so I have to either sell it for 1DS MKII or forget about it.

Tough decision, and can't sleep.




  
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Dec 15, 2004 10:51 as a reply to  @ HKFEVER's post |  #4

Get both!!!

Why not?? You only live once.

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Dec 15, 2004 10:55 as a reply to  @ roanjohn's post |  #5

I own both and they are both SUPERB ! The only diffrence (other than price

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) is resolution and fps. I have found the AF to be so close on the cameras that I cannot spot a difference. I shoot a lot of nature and sport/motorsport so good/fast AF and AI Servo is a must.

It all depends if you need 8+ fps, if you do, get the 1Dmk2, if not, the 1DSmk2 would be my choice.

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Dec 15, 2004 11:12 as a reply to  @ Rudix's post |  #6

Thank's

I don't really need the 8fps, but from time to time you will miss a lot of good shoots with 4.4fps. Do you think so.

Next questions are :
- I need a very fast computer to process the hugh raw file;
- Need hugh CF card to hold all the shoots (25shoots/Gb in the 1DS MKII).




  
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Dec 15, 2004 11:22 as a reply to  @ HKFEVER's post |  #7

HKFEVER wrote:
Thank's

I don't really need the 8fps, but from time to time you will miss a lot of good shoots with 4.4fps. Do you think so.

Next questions are :
- I need a very fast computer to process the hugh raw file;
- Need hugh CF card to hold all the shoots (25shoots/Gb in the 1DS MKII).

The speed of processing a file depends on three factors:

1. Hard Drive - Make sure you have a good fast one to load and write images quickly. You might want to consider getting a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID array to increase speed.

2. RAM - A minimum of 1 GB of good quality, high speed RAM. The more RAM you have, the less the computer has to use the hard disk drive for swap space. You'll work more efficiently and quickly with more RAM, up to a point.

3. Fast CPU - A minimum of 2.0 GHz, but I would consider 3.0+ since they are pretty cheap nowadays.

Now for the CF cards, consider going for the 4GB Hitachi Microdrives. They come cheap in comparison to the CF cards, at about $144 online after rebate. If you need speed, any of the 2GB 80X CF cards should be fine.


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Dec 15, 2004 11:30 as a reply to  @ pradeep1's post |  #8

Currently, I have PC and Mac :
1. intel 3.0 with 4G ram + 180G Harddrive &
2. G5 dual process with 4G Ram + 120G Harddrive

But still slow to process files from 1D MarkII.


Can't imagine, what kind of computer power need to process 40MB raw files.




  
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Dec 15, 2004 12:55 as a reply to  @ HKFEVER's post |  #9

Last question:
what size prints will you be producing? If max is 16x24 (or equivilant scale crop), your 1D2 should be fine as far as resolution is concerned. If bigger then go with 1DsII

As to 1DsMkII file size, my results to date have been 45-50 images on a 1GB CF card shooting RAW + M2 jpeg. (technically 90-100 images, but since one is jpeg and one RAW of same shot I don't think that counts). It drops to about 34 with RAW and L jpeg at minimum compression (setting 10) and goes up to about 48-55 with RAW and S jpeg (setting 6). It usually starts at 42 count and then decides to add a few as I go on.

The RAW file size tends to be between 14 and 18MB depending on what is in the scene. The TIF conversions tend to be a bit large (around 65MB)

from what you shoot -
1. Real life action, people passing by; (either will work, 1DsII will be slightly better, but not a lot.
2. Natural; (goes to 1DsII)
3. Motor sport; (goes to 1D2)
4 is a what you don't shoot so can't help
5. I don't understand the term Marco. If you mean portraits, then switch to 1DsmkII
otherwise it looks like what you have is good enough for now, I would save my money for either better lenses or the upgrade to the 1D2 which is about 18-24 months out.

And finally processing speed.
I note on my computer which should be way slower then yours, that until PS finishes creating/collecting the thumbnails, preview and metadata, my computer is slower then a snail, but after it finishes, everything speeds up dramatically (although I obviously have not tried it with 1DsMkII RAW files yet). However if I have both DPP and PS CS open at same time that each try to swipe all of my available capacity and slow each other down dramatically.

Just my opinion and experience,


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Dec 15, 2004 15:46 as a reply to  @ Longwatcher's post |  #10

HKFEVER, lets see what you can do with the 1dmkII that you need to change to the 1ds mk2...
I am hoping to buy the 1dmkII and feel this this will fulfull my needs completely.
Are you just another "must by the latest gadget person?"


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Dec 15, 2004 16:07 as a reply to  @ Red Squirrel's post |  #11

you know I shot some sports using the 10D. at this stage I would like a bigger buffer, in saying that if I had the money I would get the 1Ds MKII.

why, full frame, more pixels means bigger prints.

the best thing I can recommend is if you can try out both. then you will know which one you like to work with the best. since the cost of each camera does not matter :) the one that feels better to you to work with, is the one that you should buy.


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Dec 15, 2004 16:08 as a reply to  @ Longwatcher's post |  #12

Longwatcher wrote:
5. I don't understand the term Marco. If you mean portraits, then switch to 1DsmkII

I think they meant Macro :)

In which case, unless you are printing huge prints like Longwatcher mentioned, your 1DmkII should be just fine.


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Dec 15, 2004 17:27 |  #13

hkfever, i'm a bit confused. yesterday you stated that you bought the 1dsmkii and it's on its way. today you ask should you get it?! also, you've made a few posts stating that you've seldom used your 1dmkii and you have too many dslr's.

did you already order it?? sorry, i'm not trying to be mean or anything...


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Dec 15, 2004 18:28 as a reply to  @ tofuboy's post |  #14

tofuboy wrote:
I think they meant Macro :)

In which case, unless you are printing huge prints like Longwatcher mentioned, your 1DmkII should be just fine.

Duh! why din't I figure that one out; probably because I don't shoot with macro lenses. In that case it is probably still life so 1DsMkII wins.


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Dec 15, 2004 20:08 as a reply to  @ Red Squirrel's post |  #15

Red Squirrel wrote:
HKFEVER, lets see what you can do with the 1dmkII that you need to change to the 1ds mk2...
I am hoping to buy the 1dmkII and feel this this will fulfull my needs completely.
Are you just another "must by the latest gadget person?"


You are wrong, rescently we went fo a long trip some where in the mountain with my Mamiya 645AFD and 1D MKII, and I find the following problem:
1. 645AFD allows you to compose the picture first, and more effectively corp the picture to fit my need. And the good picture ratio is higer.
2. But 1D MKII, I need to compose the picture very carefully, simply because the resoultion does not allow you to corp to much!!

Luckly, I have the 645AFD with me, otherwise the trip is wasted.




  
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