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As promised, here is my review of my latest tripod setup. First off I want to thank all those who posted in this thread as you were all very helpful! Thanks!
As usual with my reviews, my main goal is to help any out there who are thinking about, or might think about after reading the review, buying the item(s) I am reviewing. And with that being my goal please feel free to ask any additional question on anything I might have missed or not covered and also feel free to as for pictures of anything else that you may want to see that I failed to show in the images I did post. I try my best to be very thorough in my reviews but it's impossible to cover EVERYTHING! I do my best and I do it not only to help others but with the hopes that others will see my reviews and be inspired to take the time to write reviews of their own to help others as so many other have helped them! Now, with that being said, on to the good stuff. I previously owned the ever popular Bogen / Manfrotto 055XPROB tripod legs topped with a Bogen / Manfrotto 488RC4 Ballhead and for the money thought it to be a GREAT setup! However the size of the setup was so large that after owning it for six months I realized I almost dreaded taking it out sometimes dues to the sheer size and weight. I enjoy doing a lot of shooting that's "on the go". I typically find myself in places that require a fair amount of walking to get to, and if I have to heft around a large heavy tripod all the while it makes the trek that much more difficult to make. So I'll start by stating some facts: the Bogen / Manfrotto 055XPROB w/ 488RC4 combo weighs in at a hair over 7lbs and when fully closed measures a slight bit over 30" long. not terribly menacing when you look at it and pick it up for a brief moment as many of you who own it know, but try carrying it around for a few hours along with a bunch of other camera gear and tell me how light it is! So I began looking for a lighter, stronger, more stable and all around better setup that I hoped would be light enough and easy enough to carry that it would give me less of a reason to go out without a tripod due to bulkiness and weight. What I landed on was the following: Gitzo 1541T Traveler 6X Carbon Fiber Tripod Legs B&H LINK, B&H Price: $574.95 Gitzo Parts List/Diagram: LINK Quote:
Markins LINK, Markins Price: $289.99 ![]() Quote:
Really Right Stuff LINK, Really Right Stuff Price: $120 Quote:
So first up how about some about the packages and how the products looked right out of the box? I was very impressed with not only the retail packaging of the tripod and ballhead, but also the included tools with the tripod as well as the included dust case. Right out of the box on both of these products, the first time you hold them in your hand you can tell immediately the high quality of them. They are extremely precise in their machining and very aesthetically pleasing. Attached to this post are a couple shot of everything right out of the box and before assembling. You can also see from the first image the difference in size between the RRS quick release clamp and the Markins one. While the RRS one is a little larger in the end I found that made little difference.
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 12th of October 2009 (Mon) at 14:55. |
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To give a better idea of the size difference between the Markins Q-48 Quick Release Clamp and the Really Right Stuff B2 LR II Quick Release Clamp I took a picture of the two each quickly screwed onto the Markins Q3T ballhead and attached them below. Yes the RRS clamp looks a little larger, but the additional size in no way interferes with the legs on the tripod closing up (as youll see later) and the fact that I largely prefer the lever quick release style clamp as opposed to the slower screw release style clamp made the increased size a small price to pay. They also weigh nearly the same as well.
When I ordered the Markins Q3T ballhead Markins did not offer the option to order just the ballhead without the quick release clamp for a reduced cost like they do their other ballheads. I'm guessing because the Q3T was still too new and had to be special ordered from their stock in Canada. They did however offer to me the option of not having their quick release clamp mounted at the time of purchase which I took them up on since I knew I was going to be mounting the RRS quick release clamp on there anyway. This saved me fighting with the Loctite they put on the bolt to lock it down. When I ordered the B2 LR II quick release clamp from RRS for an additional $3 I bought a tube of blue Loctite to set the RRS clamp in myself. I wanted to add a little something about the "feel" of this ballhead. Just holding it youll be impressed with its cool-to-the-touch alloy and rubberized feel to its flat black coating. You also be amazed how small and light it is, but dont worry, once you mount your camera to it youll not be disappointed at how amazingly sturdy it is!
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 17th of July 2008 (Thu) at 23:35. |
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Now a bit about the Gitzo 1541T Travelers series tripod legs. This is the first set of carbon fiber tripod legs I have owned. So right off the bat I was impressed by the extreme lightness in weight of these legs. And being that this is the travelers series makes that lightness that much more. Weighing in at 2.1lbs and in just under 16" in length this is an amazingly tiny set of legs! My first though was there was no way these tiny little legs were going to be stronger and more sturdy than my meaty, heavy and bulky 055XPROB legs! Boy was I wrong. After opening the legs up, extending them and setting the tripod on the ground I could immediately feel the rigidity and stability improvements! It was awesome! It felt so much stronger and didnt seem like it budged at all to twisting or leg shaking. I was very impressed!
Fully unfolded the top of the ballhead is at a height of 58" which is Ill admit a bit short, but with the camera mounted on the head buying you a few more inches and me being only 5'9" tall I find that it fits me perfectly when I have the center column extended only half way which is the ideal max for the minimum loss of stability. Last edited by ben_r_ : 17th of July 2008 (Thu) at 23:52. |
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One of the many awesome features of these tripod legs is the ability to remove the center column and attached the two end pieces together to essentially retain all of the center columns features without the length in order to get a very low to the ground tripod support. The top part of the center column is the base plate and mount screw where the tripod head mounts. It unscrews and come out. The bottom part of the center column is where the spring loaded retracting weight hook resides and it too unscrews and can be removed. Once both the mount plate and screw and weight hook are unscrewed and removed they can be screwed together on the top and bottom of the tripod leg connection piece and the tripod functions exactly as it did with the center column.
Here is a couple images of the top and bottom parts of the center column removed:
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 18th of July 2008 (Fri) at 00:08. |
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And here is what the tripod looks like in it's ground level mode. You can see that its literally only inches off the ground.
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 18th of July 2008 (Fri) at 00:10. |
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To give a little more on the the two ways you can fold this tripod and the advantages of both Ive attached two images showing both leg positions and the length difference they make. The first shows the legs folded in the traditional fashion which you can see from the measuring tape I placed in front of it yields a closed length of about 23". Not bad, but also not nearly as small or compact as it could be. The second image shows the tripod legs folded in the "Travler series" fashion which drastically reduces the closed length to an amazing 17"! Now thats what I paid all that money for portability for!
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 18th of July 2008 (Fri) at 00:15. |
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One of the biggest issues with the Traveler Series tripods from Gitzo and the reverse folding legs is the situation with the head that you have on it and whether or not the legs will fully closed when they are folded up against the head. This was so important that Markins actually made a specific edition of their ever popular Q3 head for this series (and any others compatible) of Gitzo legs. This new head is of course the Q3T. Note: so far there has actually been two iterations of the Q3T (usually jokingly referred to as Mark I and Mark II versions to mimic Canon's way of number their camera bodies). The Q3T Mark I looked very much like the current version with the exception of the placement of the panning and tension knobs. They were actually too close together to allow the 1541T's legs to all close up. One would always touch the knobs. In order to fix this the Q3T Mark II was release which spaced out the two knobs more allowing enough room between them for the third leg. Below you can see from the attached images the side by side comparison of the two different versions with the Mark I on the left and the Mark II on the right. The second attached image shows the third leg fully closed against the ballhead body as it should be.
Note: Some of my images in this review were not updated (retaken) with the Q3T Mark II ballhead installed, I kind of liked the idea of leaving them in there for future reference. So if any of the other images depict the legs not full closed with the third leg sticking out, its because I never updated the image. Which is why I did the update to this post to show the difference.
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 1 Week Ago at 14:06. |
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Here is a quick picture of the spring loaded, retractable weight hook that resides in the bottom of the center column. It usually stay up against the bottom of the column, but I pulled it down to show how far out it extends. I have yet to find the perfect fit weight for it, but I once I do Ill be sure to add it and the info to get it to this post later.
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 18th of July 2008 (Fri) at 00:27. |
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A few shots with a non-gripped 5D with the Really Right Stuff B5D-L L Plate attached mounted in both landscape and portrait orientation on the tripod. There really is no way for me to put into words how amazingly stable this tiny little tripod feels with the camera attached to it! Its just something you have to feel for yourself. It makes me anxious to find out someday how a 2 or 3 series Gitzo tripod must feel with say a Markins M10 or M20 ballhead. Perhaps someday that will be a future purchase of mine when and if I ever need that much stability.
Here is a bit of info on the Really Right Stuff B5D-L L Plate in case you have are unfamiliar with the RRS system and accessories. They make similar L plates for all Canons so the setup could be the same no matter what DSLR you own. Really Right Stuff LINK, Really Right Stuff Price: $140 Quote:
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 18th of July 2008 (Fri) at 00:37. |
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There was also an issue discussed in this thread concerning the limitations both Gitzo and Markins puts on both of these products. They both state that lenses above 200mm should not be used on this setup with the expectations of the system being as stable as it normally would be with a less than 200mm lens mounted on it. While the tripod and head can certainly handle the weight of up to say a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS, 300mm f/4, 400mm f/5.6 or 100-400L the problem arises with the vibrations that are created from the longer than 200mm lenses. From the best of my understanding this stability break down occurs due to the offset in balance from the longer focal length shifting the weight where the system was not designed to handle and support it. All that being taken into consideration I wanted to post a pic and talk a bit about how I felt when I mounted my 100-400L lens on those this setup.
First off I mounted the lens via the tripod ring mount and an RRS L84 lens plate. Heres the LINK to that. Youll find that you can use that same plate for a majority of the commonly owned Canon lenses that have a tripod ring mount. I can use the same plate on my 100-400L, 70-200 2.8 IS, 100 macro, and mp-e 65 macro. So that save a little on money. After that I turned the ballhead 90 degrees and mounted the lens and camera to the head. Now I will admit that the amount of vibrations I could see from just shaking a leg of th tripod did in fact increase slightly, but not to the point of breaking any deals. Overall the system still looked and felt very stable to me and would above all and most importantly to me would still be FAR better than having no tripod at all and hand holding shots at 400mm. Thats much is for sure! So the way I look at it I have an extremely stable tripod support system for all my lenses and body combinations, and I have a far better than hand holding tripod support system for one lens in particular. Either way all of the above are far better than the results I had from the Bogen / Manfrotto 055XPROB w/ 488RC4 combo, so the upgrade is still very justified in my opinion. So my reason for adding this section was merely to emphasis that despite what you might hear or read, lenses ov no more than 3.5lbs and greater than 200mm will in fact work fine with this setup and ARE in fact in better support than when they are hand held.
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 18th of July 2008 (Fri) at 01:01. |
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I ordered the Gitzo GE10P Padded Tripod Bag from Amazon.com to house my new investment. I chose it over the Gitzo GC1200T Travelers bag as that one I believe to be too small and is not as padded. Here is the details on the GE10P bag from B&H:
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Just picking up this case you can feel how durable and sturdy it is. It has a small, wide velcro strap to connect the two handles together, a very large and strong but yet super smooth zipper on it with two zipper handles, a fabric flap that velcros shut to cover and display the owner's information, and two very strong metal loops for attaching the shoulder strap. After opening the bag you can easily see the nearly 1/2" of padding that surrounds and protects the tripod. It looks like it would take quite a bit to damage a tripod housed in this bag! The first picture I have attached shows the bag itself, the shoulder strap and the overall length of a bit over 20". The second image shows the tripod inside the bag and all the way to one side of it so the wiggle room can be seen as well as the internal zippered pouch opened with the shoulder strap inside. Overall I am very impressed with this bag as I was impressed with the Bogen/Manfrotto bag I had for my last tripod. I feel very confident that nothing will harm my tripod in storage or transport while its in this bag and on top of that taking into consideration this bag will be holding an almost $1000 tripod setup, I think the $90 is worth every penny for the protection and peace of mind it offers. As many have brought my attention the Gitzo GE10P is now extremely difficult to find if it can be found at all. There is one source that two POTN members so far has confirmed to be legit that may still have them in stock. Here is the LINK. It would be wise to email this company first just to make sure before ordering. However Gitzo has a new bag out that I have recently learned fits this tripod combo quite nicely. It's the Gitzo GC1201T Traveler Bag. Be aware though that this is not a padded bag. While it is neoprene which does have some pretty amazing protective properties even in a thin form, it's not going to be as protective as a well padded bag. So depending on how much padding/protection you're looking for, this new Gitzo case might be just the answer. Here is an image of the two next to each other courtesy of POTN member LLL as well as some specs and pricing information: ![]() Quote:
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A lot of people feel that gear used well and frequently has to show signs of it as proof. I on the other hand take every precaution to ensure that my gear is both well used AND looks brand new through all of it. Those of you who have purchased gear from me from the classifieds section know how well I take care of my gear and when/if I do sell it, its in like new condition.
Wanting to keep with that standard I looked and read high and low for a way to protect my $575 tripod legs from the elements when it was necessary to be in them to get the shot I was after. Whether I have to wade into a stream or stand in the ocean I really didnt want to have to put my tripod into the mud, water, snow, or any other dirty, possibly damaging stuff to get the angle I was looking for. The closest to a good form of tipod leg protection I had read about was a few POTN members who had wrapped each legs in plastic trash bags and taped them up before submerging the tripod into water. This sounded at least functional to me, but I thought wow what a pain to have to not only carry a roll of tape and three large trash bags with, but also the time necessary to put them on and tape them up, and on top of that it would look so odd. Others just suggested going bare and then shortly after shooting taking the entire legs apart individually for cleaning. Well that would work I guess if youre in fresh water and not salt, you dont mind taking the time to disassemble your tripod piece by piece to clean it, you can in fact disassemble your tripod as most cheaper tripods cant be completely taken apart, and lastly if all youre trying to protect it from is water. So I ruled out the non-protected route for some more reasons beyond the obvious. I decided if I wanted something done right I was going to have to do it myself. So I started looking around and planning for a solution that would not only work on my tripod setup but rather be a universal protection system that anyone could use on any of their tripods no matter the price or size. What I ended up doing was making my own. Shown below is a very strong 6 mil, 6 inch circumference plastic tubing with heat welded ends sealed to be water and air tight on one end. Once slide over the leg a rubber band or Velcro strap can be used to keep them from slipping off. The setup slides on very fast and comes off even easier, folds up to a small pocket sized bundle, protects against wind, sand, water, snow, mud, ice, scratches, etc. and its cost is very low. I have also done quite a bit of testing on how strong these are and how well the seal on the edge holds up. It takes A LOT of force to puncture the end seal with a tripod leg. Much more than would ever be naturally inflicted while sliding them on or while using them. They have held up to my testing quite well. Buying Tripod Leg Protectors Since it's a universal solution I have decided to start offering them to others who want them for their own tripods. This setup could also be used with a monopod as well. If you are interested in a set to protect your tripod investment I will be selling a set of three with four rubber bands included for $10 USD shipped and paypaled. You can paypal payment to "ben_r_@hotmail.com" and be sure to include in the comments of the payment what tripod brand and model you have and the measurement in inches of one fully extended leg and I will ship the leg protectors out to you immediately. If you have any questions please, as always, feel free to PM or email me anytime.
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| Gear List | Flickr | My Reviews | For Sale: Markins Q3T Traveler Ballhead w/ New Markins Clamp CLICK HERE Last edited by ben_r_ : 19th of December 2009 (Sat) at 16:10. |
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Great review. Thanks
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I have nearly the same setup, and I still read your review.
I have the Q3 vs the Q3t. I knew they made the panning base a bit smaller, but was wondering if they did anything with the control knobs. They didn't Glad your happy with your new setup. Now go out and give it some use! But, I warn you. The first few times you have to put those fine Gitzo legs in the mud, it won't be easy.
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Outstanding review. Looks like a very nice rig.
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