Shadows Under Helmet (Football)

mnez17 · 1st of September 2008 (Mon)

Hi,

Trying to get some practice in before my son's high school football season start this Saturday. His games will start around 10:00 on Saturdays. I took this picture during midday and shot in AV, with +2/3rd's exposure. I probably should of tried 1 or 1 1/3 but was afraid of blowing highlights. Should I have metered his face that way no shadows would have appeared ?

40Dude6aedyk · 1st of September 2008 (Mon)

Have you thought about using fill-in flash?

Joe Cyr · 2nd of September 2008 (Tue)

There is little to nothing you can do about this, other than dodge in photoshop. It is just the nature of the beast. If you overexpose any more, you will blow everything out.

namasste · 2nd of September 2008 (Tue)

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Originally Posted by Joe Cyr

There is little to nothing you can do about this, other than dodge in photoshop. It is just the nature of the beast. If you overexpose any more, you will blow everything out.

I agree. In fact, I usually don't go much more than + 1/3 or so in Av and that's just to adjust for the fact that I think my camera tends to underexpose by about that amount. In photoshop, I will select areas I want (usually faces) and use the shadow/highlight sliders to adjust those areas. While selected I will apply a little selective USM as well.

freebird · 2nd of September 2008 (Tue)

Yep, simple 15 second fix in photoshop

AdamLewis · 2nd of September 2008 (Tue)

If you meter for the shadow, everything will be blown out. You need to accept it, shoot from a different angle, or find some way to get light in there.

You can always adjust it in photoshop later. There are many different ways to go about it. If it bothers you that much, find one that works for you and go for it.

mnez17 · 2nd of September 2008 (Tue)

Thanks for the responses! I enhanced it a little by using the shadows/highlight slider priot to posting. I'll try different angles. I guess these are the problems you will run into while shooting around midday.

AdamLewis · 2nd of September 2008 (Tue)

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Originally Posted by mnez17

I guess these are the problems you will run into while shooting around midday.

One of the worst times to shoot anything is under a bright midday sun. VERY harsh lighting.

tmcman · 2nd of September 2008 (Tue)

I think you did fine.
I wouldn't go any higher.
Your shadow/highlight adjustment did enough.
Thanks for sharing.

namasste · 3rd of September 2008 (Wed)

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Originally Posted by AdamLewis

One of the worst times to shoot anything is under a bright midday sun. VERY harsh lighting.

agreed! Funny thing is that non photogs think bright sunny days should be the best for pic taking.

clayk · 3rd of September 2008 (Wed)

shoot from the backlit side.

manutd101 · 3rd of September 2008 (Wed)

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Originally Posted by namasste

agreed! Funny thing is that non photogs think bright sunny days should be the best for pic taking.

Best time is bright overcast...gotta love that light

AdamLewis · 3rd of September 2008 (Wed)

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Originally Posted by manutd101

Best time is bright overcast...gotta love that light

Meh...Its debatable what the "best" time is. Im kinda partial to 1.5~2h before sunset. LOTS of different opportunities there.

manutd101 · 3rd of September 2008 (Wed)

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Originally Posted by AdamLewis

Meh...Its debatable what the "best" time is. Im kinda partial to 1.5~2h before sunset. LOTS of different opportunities there.

Mmm...good time there, but for sports you run the risk, if shooting JPEG, of the light getting too warm on you.

ezpass · 3rd of September 2008 (Wed)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Cyr

There is little to nothing you can do about this, other than dodge in photoshop. It is just the nature of the beast. If you overexpose any more, you will blow everything out.

Sorry to say but this quote is so true, Im no pro but helments and ball caps will test the best of them

1st of September 2008 (Mon)	#1
mnez17 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 210	Shadows Under Helmet (Football) Hi, Trying to get some practice in before my son's high school football season start this Saturday. His games will start around 10:00 on Saturdays. I took this picture during midday and shot in AV, with +2/3rd's exposure. I probably should of tried 1 or 1 1/3 but was afraid of blowing highlights. Should I have metered his face that way no shadows would have appeared ? __________________ Canon 1D Mark III\|Canon 40D\| Canon 350D\| Opteka Battery Grip\| 430EX\| EF 85mm f/1.8 USM\| EF 70-200mm 2.8L USM\|EF 300mm IS 2.8L\|EFS 17-55mm IS USM 2.8 \|Kenko 1.4X A.L. Sports MaxPreps Profile/Sports Shooter Last edited by mnez17 : 4th of September 2008 (Thu) at 19:14.

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40Dude6aedyk Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,064 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Shadows Under Helmet (Football) Have you thought about using fill-in flash? __________________ Canon 40D; Canon 70-200 mm f/2.8L IS, 17-55mm f/2.8 IS, 85 mm f/1.8; 580EX II; Sigma EF-530 DG Super; CyberSyncs

2nd of September 2008 (Tue)	#3
Joe Cyr Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Maine Posts: 973 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Shadows Under Helmet (Football) There is little to nothing you can do about this, other than dodge in photoshop. It is just the nature of the beast. If you overexpose any more, you will blow everything out. __________________ Canon 1D (MARK III), 10d, Elan IIE (old school), 580exII 70-200 f/2.8L, 17-40 f/4L, 85 1.8, 50 1.8 (nifty) http://josephcyrphotography.smugmug.com

2nd of September 2008 (Tue)	#5
freebird Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,344 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Shadows Under Helmet (Football) Yep, simple 15 second fix in photoshop

2nd of September 2008 (Tue)	#6
AdamLewis Goldmember Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,077	Re: Shadows Under Helmet (Football) If you meter for the shadow, everything will be blown out. You need to accept it, shoot from a different angle, or find some way to get light in there. You can always adjust it in photoshop later. There are many different ways to go about it. If it bothers you that much, find one that works for you and go for it. __________________

2nd of September 2008 (Tue)	#9
tmcman Goldmember Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 3,133 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Shadows Under Helmet (Football) I think you did fine. I wouldn't go any higher. Your shadow/highlight adjustment did enough. Thanks for sharing. __________________ Comments, Questions, Observations Welcome 1DsII, G12, 17-40, 50 f/1.4, TS-E 24mm f/3.5L, 70-200 f/4L IS, Gitzo 1541 w/ Markins M10 ballhead. "Art always shows itself by doing much with few and simple things." A. W. Dow

3rd of September 2008 (Wed)	#11
clayk Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 140	Re: Shadows Under Helmet (Football) shoot from the backlit side.

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