NY Times Article for Photographers Information

Bilsen · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

Don't know where this goes but here seems OK.

From the NY Times on 2/18/09

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/nyregion/18about.html?ref=nyregion

CAL Imagery · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

Quote:

Originally Posted by johngalt_ny

Don't know where this goes but here seems OK.

From the NY Times on 2/18/09

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/nyregion/18about.html?ref=nyregion

Wilt · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

Maybe they want to retain the freedom to shoot innocent transit authority patrons in NYC, unlike what has been happening in Oakland CA on BART.

adam8080 · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

I'm surprised crap like that doesn't happen more often.

USMCWayne · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

I find it amusing that a photographer could make more money from a wrongful arrest lawsuit, than they could make by selling pictures of the subway.

What a country.

Bilsen · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

Wayne,

Explains a lot about why we are where we are, doesn't it?

maranelloboy05 · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

I think it is more sad that the police don't even know the laws.

ThePhotoRebellion · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

I would have thought that the NYPD learned their lesson after shelling out 8k to Mr. Kabakoff just this month. I mean, don't they read the newspapers or get briefed on these things? This obviously isn't the first time this has happened. I think that every law enforcement officers that was involved in this abuse of power should be reprimanded and their pay docked. We're one step closer to letting the terrorists win and becoming more like the U.K.

Wilt · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

Over in the UK, where the police don't carry guns, they arrest you.
In Singapore, they arrest you and then give you 10 strokes with the rotan.
Here in the USA, where the police carry stun guns and revolvers, they use the revolver or they kill you with the stun gun.

adam8080 · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

Police don't carry guns in UK?!?!?!

thebishopp · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

They were "stacking" charges when they charged him with the multiple offenses (taking pictures, disorderly conduct, impeding traffic). It's a common tactic much like using a shotgun (hoping that one of the pellets will hit).

Back when I was in LE there were a few guys in my department that loved to do that b.s. though they tended to lose credibility when dealing with the prosecutor and judges if it happened a lot.

There was probably some doubt that the first charge would stick so they popped him with the more ambiguous charges (DC is a catchall charge that is common when you lack anything substantial to arrest someone - a tool used by officers to get someone off the street, many times people either take a plea or it gets dismissed.) That impeding charge seems to be another version of the DC charge. We called those "chickensh*t" citations.

I hope he sues the heck out of them AND wins.

thebishopp · 18th of February 2009 (Wed)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePhotoRebellion

I would have thought that the NYPD learned their lesson after shelling out 8k to Mr. Kabakoff just this month. I mean, don't they read the newspapers or get briefed on these things? This obviously isn't the first time this has happened. I think that every law enforcement officers that was involved in this abuse of power should be reprimanded and their pay docked. We're one step closer to letting the terrorists win and becoming more like the U.K.

The fact is that training usually sucks in most police departments.

In many cases if an officer wants more training (beyond the once a year recertification most states require) he has to pay for it himself.

You would be surprised (or may not as more stories like this become public) how bad it is.

To be fair though police departments usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to budget allocation.... nobody (or very few) people like cops untill they need them. I remember once I was told that if I wanted to be liked I should of become a fireman lol.

ThePhotoRebellion · 19th of February 2009 (Thu)

I definitely wouldn't want to be part of law enforcement. They have hard jobs and have to put up with a bunch of A**holes.

Wilt · 19th of February 2009 (Thu)

Yes, cops used to enjoy respect from the general population, and people would say 'Hi' as they passed on the street. Now they are looked down upon, unless you are the victim of a crime and then they cannot act fast enough. Problem always has been the 'bad cop', regardless of when in history they lived...the power trip guy, the 'on the take' guy, the 'legalized' brutalism guy, ruins it for the good cops.

Ray Marrero · 19th of February 2009 (Thu)

I need some cash.... makes me want to go to NYC and take a few pictures until I get arrested. I have the time to make a few bucks. Hmmm...

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Bilsen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hudson Valley, New York, USA Posts: 1,733 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: NY Times Article for Photographers Information Wayne, Explains a lot about why we are where we are, doesn't it? __________________ *BILSEN (the artist formerly known asd John Galt NY)* Canon 600D/T3i; XSi/450D 24-105 f4L IS; 70-200 f4L IS; 50 mm 1.4; 18-55 IS;55-250 IS; Sekonic L-358; 580EX & (2) 430EX *Model Galleries:* http://bilsen.zenfolio.com *Everything Else:* www.pbase.com/bilsen

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maranelloboy05 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 406 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: NY Times Article for Photographers Information I think it is more sad that the police don't even know the laws. __________________ Flickr - Chris Schlumpf Photography 5D Mark 2 - 24-105L - 100mm f2 - 70-300mm f4-5.6

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ThePhotoRebellion Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 7	Re: NY Times Article for Photographers Information I would have thought that the NYPD learned their lesson after shelling out 8k to Mr. Kabakoff just this month. I mean, don't they read the newspapers or get briefed on these things? This obviously isn't the first time this has happened. I think that every law enforcement officers that was involved in this abuse of power should be reprimanded and their pay docked. We're one step closer to letting the terrorists win and becoming more like the U.K.

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thebishopp Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,880 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: NY Times Article for Photographers Information They were "stacking" charges when they charged him with the multiple offenses (taking pictures, disorderly conduct, impeding traffic). It's a common tactic much like using a shotgun (hoping that one of the pellets will hit). Back when I was in LE there were a few guys in my department that loved to do that b.s. though they tended to lose credibility when dealing with the prosecutor and judges if it happened a lot. There was probably some doubt that the first charge would stick so they popped him with the more ambiguous charges (DC is a catchall charge that is common when you lack anything substantial to arrest someone - a tool used by officers to get someone off the street, many times people either take a plea or it gets dismissed.) That impeding charge seems to be another version of the DC charge. We called those "chickensh*t" citations. I hope he sues the heck out of them AND wins. __________________ "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data, ability to repeat discredited memes, and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Also, be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor even implied. Any irrelevancies you can mention will also be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous." My Zen

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ThePhotoRebellion Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 7	Re: NY Times Article for Photographers Information I definitely wouldn't want to be part of law enforcement. They have hard jobs and have to put up with a bunch of A**holes.

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Ray Marrero Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,589 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: NY Times Article for Photographers Information I need some cash.... makes me want to go to NYC and take a few pictures until I get arrested. I have the time to make a few bucks. Hmmm... __________________ Ray Canon 7D, 30D - 550ex & 580ex, Nikon SB-28's x3, AB800 x3, Canon 10-22mm, 18-55mm, 50mm 1.8, 85mm 1.8, 24-70mm 2.8L, 70-200mm 2.8L IS, Sigma 28-105mm 2.8, Tamron 28-75mm 2.8, CyberSyncs.

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