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Wait, all that time and all I get is "Cream of the Damn Crop" ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What is "HAMSTTR"**© ?
"HAMSTTR"© ( Histogram And Meter Settings To The Right )hamster.gif ...Is a more accurate term to describe what we really mean when we say we "Expose To The Right" or ETTR. (from this point on I will use only the term HAMSTTR. Suffice it to say, that the term is new, and prior to August 2009 the universally used term to describe HAMSTTR was "ETTR" )A brief History of "HAMSTTR"©.
The advantages are several.
So far so good, now fast forward to August 2009 and a simple question regarding ISO settings posted on POTN results in a 20 page long debate re: use of the word "exposure"The trouble with this? Two fold: 1. It's true!Use vs. Definition It was then suggested that a new term need be applied for the "other half" of our ETTR adjustments, the ISO settings. This term proffered is ITTR for "Iso To The Right" Further Reading on "HAMSTTR"©** *In the following articles, please substitute "ETTR" and "Exposure" with "HAMSTTR©" and "Histogram and Meter" as all these guys are wrong. And it's early impact on POTN with some threads I found circa 2004; Scottes On E (HAMS)* TTR: hamster.gif ** The term HAMSTTR© is copyright © CyberDyneSystems 2009 Last edited by CyberDyneSystems : 12th of March 2013 (Tue) at 17:00. |
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Good article to raise here, and more people should be doing it. I have habitually ETTR on both the 1D and subsequent 1Ds Classic that I bought. Both of these are also traditionally rubbished as being 'very noisy' cameras. I know also that underexposure on both the 1D and 1Ds does result in a lot of noise when images are 'push-processed'.
When recommending ETTR to others I try to keep it simple: dial in positive exposure compensation even for an 'average' scene, as long as you don't blow too many highlights. Blow the highlights, and they're very difficult to retrieve on traditional sensors. The only camera that bucks this trend is the Fuji S5 (which I now also use), where it's easy to recover highlights to quite an accurate degree...this camera allows a user to push the ETTR technique to the max. When shooting some low contrast scenes on a tripod, I would overexpose by as much as +1 1/3 stops for an average scene and still not blow any highlights on an old Canon sensor. 'Pulling' the image back in post processing then results in a very, very clean image with no noise issues even at 100%.
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Excellent information for us newbs. Thanks.
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Well I'm not gonna call it hamster. The mathematics involved in the whole signal/noise ratio thing are complicated enough without injecting a physics lesson.
But I will continue to practice ETTR as a matter of habit, in spite of the risks. The risks? Well there's always a chance that there will be small areas of the image, too small to show up on the histogram or blink on your LCD, that will be bright enough to inadvertently clip some channels if you try to crank up the exposure. There. You've been warned.
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speak of the particular thread, C.D.S., it was interesting to follow in real time.
hamsttr ... mmmm. isn't technology cool.... changing our vocabulary right in front of us.
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Wonderful information. Thanks for posting this.
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great article - thanks
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I see this advantage,
"Total image information is increased as more of the histogram falls under that right most section." But in low light situations where you want to achieve a sufficiant shutter speed, surely, if you can afford to overexpose slightly, or expose to the right, wouldn't you be better off bringing the iso down instead - to reduce noise? I'm going to give it a proper read through tomorrow, as I'm just off to bed, it looks like an interesting article though, thanks for posting. Regards, Ashley
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Not in my experience. People with knowledge of the RAW/read noise levels will have to chime in, but in my own use (for example) 20D pulled ISO1600 shots were obviously better than those at a flat ISO800. If nothing else, the horizontal banding of that camera pretty much disappeared through ETTR.
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When recommending ETTR to others I try to keep it simple: dial in positive exposure compensation even for an 'average' scene, as long as you don't blow too many highlights. Blow the highlights, and they're very difficult to retrieve on traditional sensors. The only camera that bucks this trend is the Fuji S5 (which I now also use), where it's easy to recover highlights to quite an accurate degree...this camera allows a user to push the ETTR technique to the max.
A better--more precise, more repeatable--way to do this is to observe the highlights that must retain detail (your artistic choice of which those are) directly and touch the spike of those tones to the right side of the histogram. Say, you have the bride in the white dress. Zoom in to the highlighted side of her dress and take a shot. Note that spike and adjust exposure so that spike is kissing the right side of the histogram. That's it. Here is what happens: You have deliberately placed the brightest highlight that must retain detail at the top of the sensor's range, thus being sure to preserve that highlight. At the same time, you've made sure to give the scene the fullest exposure possible (without losing that highlight), pulling as much shadow detail as possible above the base noise of the sensor. That is the best exposure you can give the digital sensor, period. Now, if you compare that exposure to an incident exposure, it will appear that you have overexposed by 1/2 to perhaps a full stop (hey, that's ETTR!). The JPEG image on the LCD will appear overexposed, too. But when you push it back down in processing, you will see that you have greater shadow detail and less noise than the incident meter setting would have given you. If you need to work quicker, it's not difficult to calibrate a spot meter appropriately. In my case, I set my Sekonic L-558 to ISO 12, lay the spot on the brightest highlight that must retain detail, and get the setting I need (which works just as well with both ambient and flash lighting with that meter). |
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Hello. My name is Daniel, and welcome to HAMSTTR shooters anonymous.
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=31239793 The highlights are barely affected by removing 5 bits. It is further demonstrated and explained here: http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/noise-p3.html#bitdepth HAMSTTR combines two different methods for improving the SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio) and dynamic range of image. The most important part of HAMSTTR is light. Increasing the total amount of light (through f-number, shutter, etc.) makes a big difference. The second part of HAMSTTR is ISO. Moving the histogram to the right with ISO (without increasing light) makes the raw levels ("ADU") higher, which makes the image brighter with a typical conversion. If it's too bright, that can be easily corrected in post processing by reducing brightness. The benefit of increasing ISO is that it has less read noise, which means the SNR is improved in parts of the image that are affected by read noise. Quote:
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There are three examples below. The first sentence uses the colloquial definition of exposure. The second sentence uses the dictionary definition.
The amount of light is important because it affects noise, dynamic range, color depth, tonal gradations, and more. When something is important, it's very useful to have a word for it. The word for "total amount of light falling on the sensor per area" is exposure. Quote:
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Light is an important part of photography. The word "photography" comes from the Greek and means "drawing with light". Many photographers will never care about how much light was used in a photograph. All they care about is how bright it is. For them, ISO and f-number are equally important, because they both affect the brightness of the image by the same amount. That is fine, and there are plenty of words for them to use to talk about that idea, such as "brightness", "darkness", and "apparent exposure". Other photographers do care about the amount of light. They spend lots of money trying to get more light, and they spend lots of time getting the exact right amount of light. One of the biggest reasons for this is that the amount of light is the most important factor in the amount of noise. For a raw photographer, brightness is something that can easily be changed in post. The amount of light cannot. That's why it is useful to have a word for it.
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This lead to many film shooters to think that exposure was the same as brightness. It wasn't really, of course, but with film the difference wasn't important. If the only method you have is exposure, then the word "exposure" might as well mean the same thing "brightness". But digital is different. Now it is very easy to "push" (in camera or in post). Unfortunately, some people are still saddled with film-era vocabulary. The amount of light and the amount of brightness are two separate things. I think it's better to leave the film baggage behind. Quote:
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The danger of exposing to the right of the histogram is that if your white balance isn't perfect, you run the risk of blowing out one color channel and not being able to recover it, even if you shoot in RAW mode. I do shoot almost everything in RAW mode (except sports), but I still try to get the white balance as close as possible by using either a pre-set or a custom white balance. This insures that I don't blow out any one color channel and it speeds up post-processing.
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