Foliage / Waterfall HDR

Scottes · 9th of October 2009 (Fri)

I'm not sure if I even like this. I'm not sure if it sucks or if I'm just in a mood.

Comments appreciated.

tmcman · 9th of October 2009 (Fri)

Not sure I like the long run of the stream down to the foreground edge.
But the meeting place of water, rock, trees and sun at the waterfall is outstanding.
Thanks for sharing.

Kevin · 9th of October 2009 (Fri)

hee...hee..you may be in a mood, but I don't care for it either. Too much foreground and the water has no definable detail for me. Don't shoot me

wolfden · 9th of October 2009 (Fri)

on the plus side, the fall colors are looking great!

Scottes · 9th of October 2009 (Fri)

OK, it's agreed. Someone delete this thread.

On the good side, I have a wide-angle shot that doesn't contain the long water in front. I'll play with that one tomorrow I guess. I spent about an hour and 4 gigs on this waterfall. I've got to have *something* decent from all that work.

I hopr...

Kevin · 9th of October 2009 (Fri)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottes

OK, it's agreed. Someone delete this thread.

On the good side, I have a wide-angle shot that doesn't contain the long water in front. I'll play with that one tomorrow I guess. I spent about an hour and 4 gigs on this waterfall. I've got to have *something* decent from all that work.

I hopr...

I think we should keep this in perpetuity for the future civilizations.

Gary McDuffie · 10th of October 2009 (Sat)

Ok, so I'm weird! I really like it. I like almost everything about it. As for the detail in the water, I'm a fan of time expo'd water, love it, especially the fall area. Ok, maybe a little less foreground would be better, but I'd hang it just like it is.

kirkt · 10th of October 2009 (Sat)

Aesthetics aside, I think it is a very nice piece technically. The range of highlights and shadows is captured very well, the color is rich and the tonemapping is natural and pleasing, not garish and cartoony. It appears a little oversharpened or overly local contrasty, especially in the leaves - I think the rock can hold a little more of that treatment before it gets to be too much, but here it seems like the limits of the rock have been reached.

It may not be possible, but shoot in that light from down low, looking upstream, through that cut, at the sun drenched falls. Try framing the shot with the cut walls in shadow,but well defined shadows - we are shooting HDR or course!

Keep at it - the colors are lovely.

Kirk

Scottes · 10th of October 2009 (Sat)

I was wondering if someone would mention over-sharpening. I hit it with SmartSharpen: highlight fade 100% at range 70, radius 0.3, amount - wait for it - 23%.

I just barely *kissed* it with sharpening. Damn that 24-70mm L, it's too sharp,

Seriously though, it really needs creative sharpening, not a global method. But I was too lazy since I didn't really like it by the time I was done.

I could not get lower - I was on a bridge. Tough to avoid tourists bouncing the bridge with a 2-minute exposure!

Thanks for the technical comments. I do like it for that.

kirkt · 10th of October 2009 (Sat)

DId you have "More Accurate" checked in the Smart Sharpen dialog? I find that it is all but useless and creates the kind of wormy effect that the leaves exhibit. Uncheck it.

Kirk

Scottes · 10th of October 2009 (Sat)

Hmmm, I probably did have that checked. I'll try it on and off on the next foliage shot I process.

waterj2 · 10th of October 2009 (Sat)

You could just crop it down to the top portion. It looks great with a square crop so that you cut out the bottom part.

grandad35 · 11th of October 2009 (Sun)

Does the water look any better in the individual shots? If so, massage the one that has the best lighting on the water to closely match the water in the HDR, add it as a layer and mask it to show only the water. This obviously doesn't work if the HDR was generated from a single shot.

Was that shot taken along the Kangamangus River? Here is an old crappy shot (from a P&S) from what looks to be the same area.

Scottes · 11th of October 2009 (Sun)

Waterj12 - yes, a crop does look better. Good idea.

Grandad35 - I'd say that we both shot from the same exact location, the bridge across the Rocky Gorge, but you zoomed in.

buddy4344 · 13th of October 2009 (Tue)

Location has potential, but the exposure time seems a little too long. Water is a little too silky with no detail. - maybe just a style difference. Fall colors look great.

I just sent you a PM regarding shooting in your area.

9th of October 2009 (Fri)	#1
Scottes Trigger Man - POTN Retired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A Little North Of Boston, MA, USA Posts: 12,839	Foliage / Waterfall HDR I'm not sure if I even like this. I'm not sure if it sucks or if I'm just in a mood. Comments appreciated. __________________ You can take my 100-400 L away when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Scottes' Rum Pages - Rum Reviews And Info Follower of Fidget - Joined the cult of HAMSTTR©

9th of October 2009 (Fri)	#2
tmcman Goldmember Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 3,588 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR Not sure I like the long run of the stream down to the foreground edge. But the meeting place of water, rock, trees and sun at the waterfall is outstanding. Thanks for sharing. __________________ Comments, Questions, Observations Welcome 1DsII, G12, 17-40, 50 f/1.4, TS-E 24mm f/3.5L, 70-200 f/4L IS, Gitzo 1541 w/ Markins M10 ballhead. "Art always shows itself by doing much with few and simple things." A. W. Dow

9th of October 2009 (Fri)	#3
Kevin Cream of the Crop Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 5,920	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR hee...hee..you may be in a mood, but I don't care for it either. Too much foreground and the water has no definable detail for me. Don't shoot me

9th of October 2009 (Fri)	#4
wolfden Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,439	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR on the plus side, the fall colors are looking great! __________________ ~KJS~ Photos by KJS \| Flickr \| Blog \| 500px \| Google+ Canon 60D Shooter

9th of October 2009 (Fri)	#5
Scottes Trigger Man - POTN Retired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A Little North Of Boston, MA, USA Posts: 12,839	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR OK, it's agreed. Someone delete this thread. On the good side, I have a wide-angle shot that doesn't contain the long water in front. I'll play with that one tomorrow I guess. I spent about an hour and 4 gigs on this waterfall. I've got to have something decent from all that work. I hopr... __________________ You can take my 100-400 L away when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Scottes' Rum Pages - Rum Reviews And Info Follower of Fidget - Joined the cult of HAMSTTR©

10th of October 2009 (Sat)	#7
Gary McDuffie Goldmember Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Scottsbluff, NE Posts: 2,973 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR Ok, so I'm weird! I really like it. I like almost everything about it. As for the detail in the water, I'm a fan of time expo'd water, love it, especially the fall area. Ok, maybe a little less foreground would be better, but I'd hang it just like it is. __________________ *Gary* If you're going to shoot something, use a Canon! *----------* 7D, some L, a Froto, constantly shooting & learning via POTN

10th of October 2009 (Sat)	#8
kirkt Goldmember Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA USA Posts: 3,759 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR Aesthetics aside, I think it is a very nice piece technically. The range of highlights and shadows is captured very well, the color is rich and the tonemapping is natural and pleasing, not garish and cartoony. It appears a little oversharpened or overly local contrasty, especially in the leaves - I think the rock can hold a little more of that treatment before it gets to be too much, but here it seems like the limits of the rock have been reached. It may not be possible, but shoot in that light from down low, looking upstream, through that cut, at the sun drenched falls. Try framing the shot with the cut walls in shadow,but well defined shadows - we are shooting HDR or course! Keep at it - the colors are lovely. Kirk __________________ Kirk --- images: http://kirkt.smugmug.com

10th of October 2009 (Sat)	#9
Scottes Trigger Man - POTN Retired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A Little North Of Boston, MA, USA Posts: 12,839	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR I was wondering if someone would mention over-sharpening. I hit it with SmartSharpen: highlight fade 100% at range 70, radius 0.3, amount - wait for it - 23%. I just barely kissed it with sharpening. Damn that 24-70mm L, it's too sharp, Seriously though, it really needs creative sharpening, not a global method. But I was too lazy since I didn't really like it by the time I was done. I could not get lower - I was on a bridge. Tough to avoid tourists bouncing the bridge with a 2-minute exposure! Thanks for the technical comments. I do like it for that. __________________ You can take my 100-400 L away when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Scottes' Rum Pages - Rum Reviews And Info Follower of Fidget - Joined the cult of HAMSTTR©

10th of October 2009 (Sat)	#10
kirkt Goldmember Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA USA Posts: 3,759 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR DId you have "More Accurate" checked in the Smart Sharpen dialog? I find that it is all but useless and creates the kind of wormy effect that the leaves exhibit. Uncheck it. Kirk __________________ Kirk --- images: http://kirkt.smugmug.com

10th of October 2009 (Sat)	#11
Scottes Trigger Man - POTN Retired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A Little North Of Boston, MA, USA Posts: 12,839	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR Hmmm, I probably did have that checked. I'll try it on and off on the next foliage shot I process. __________________ You can take my 100-400 L away when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Scottes' Rum Pages - Rum Reviews And Info Follower of Fidget - Joined the cult of HAMSTTR©

10th of October 2009 (Sat)	#12
waterj2 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Jamaica Plain, MA Posts: 123 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR You could just crop it down to the top portion. It looks great with a square crop so that you cut out the bottom part. __________________ Jeremy(my flickr) Canon EOS 30D, EOS Rebel K2, SD600 Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM, EF 50mm f/1.4 USM Canon 580EX II

11th of October 2009 (Sun)	#14
Scottes Trigger Man - POTN Retired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A Little North Of Boston, MA, USA Posts: 12,839	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR Waterj12 - yes, a crop does look better. Good idea. Grandad35 - I'd say that we both shot from the same exact location, the bridge across the Rocky Gorge, but you zoomed in. __________________ You can take my 100-400 L away when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Scottes' Rum Pages - Rum Reviews And Info Follower of Fidget - Joined the cult of HAMSTTR©

13th of October 2009 (Tue)	#15
buddy4344 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 815 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Foliage / Waterfall HDR Location has potential, but the exposure time seems a little too long. Water is a little too silky with no detail. - maybe just a style difference. Fall colors look great. I just sent you a PM regarding shooting in your area. __________________ Buddy4344 Gear: Canon 5D MkIII, 7D, 30D, 300D, Canon Lenses: 100 macro, 100-400L IS, 24-105L IS, 400DO IS, 500L IS. Kenko extension tubes, Kenko 1.4x pro TCon.and Kiboko 30L and 22L+

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