We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this

dawiyo · 19th of November 2009 (Thu)

I first want to preface this with stating that I am in no way a professional photographer and never really received compensation for my photos. I do however hang with many pro photographers (mostly sports and news guys) and understand the current situation the news photography world is in. With that knowledge, I fully intend to decline the following offer just on the principle.

Hi dawiyo,

I am writing to let you know that one of your photos has been short-listed for inclusion in the ninth edition of our Schmap San Francisco Guide, to be published mid-December 2009.

www.schmap.com/...

Clicking this link will take you to a page where you can:
i) See which of your photos has been short-listed.
ii) Submit or withdraw your photo from our final selection phase.
iii) Learn how we credit photos in our Schmap Guides.
iv) Browse online or download the eighth edition of our Schmap San Francisco Guide.

While we offer no payment for publication, many photographers are pleased to submit their photos, as Schmap Guides give their work recognition and wide exposure, and are free of charge to readers. Photos are published at a maximum width of 150 pixels, are clearly attributed, and link to high-resolution originals at Flickr.

Our submission deadline is Thursday, November 26. If you happen to be reading this message after this date, please still click on the link above (our Schmap Guides are updated frequently - photos submitted after this deadline will be considered for later releases).

Best regards,

Emma Williams,
Managing Editor, Schmap Guides
www.schmap.me/emmaj.williams

What do you guys think? Am I overreacting being kind of irate that they just come out and state "others aren't getting paid, so no check for you" or should I see this as a sign of the times and get over it?

jacuff · 19th of November 2009 (Thu)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=759847
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=737279
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=634765
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=562544

Do what ever you want. If you fall into the category of pleased to submit, then do so. If you want money, then don't submit.

Karl Johnston · 19th of November 2009 (Thu)

Oh nevermind it's not a magazine. Actually I'm not sure what it is...looks like a complicated version of flickr maps or google maps.

I can't really figure out what the hell they do actually. Go for it. Though I see no value in exposure from that kind

kenwood33 · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

just give them a reasonable price and they may say yes

dawiyo · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenwood33

just give them a reasonable price and they may say yes

They've already stated they offer no compensation for photographers.

I'm more proud/impressed that they shot they picked was taken with my iPhone and AutoStitch app.

iAMB · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

I would be interested to see if they use your photo even if you tell them no. Either way, I think it is something for you to keep an eye on.

cdifoto · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

I'm not against donating images - but I won't give them to someone who's going to make money off them.

Dennis_Hammer · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

I wouldn't be irate over it. Who doesn't want something for nothing, not just a sign of the times human nature is all.

CosmoKid · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

You only give them rights to a tiny little image that is put in an online area guide that people can download for free. Sure they likely make money on advertising but I have seen way worse requests for free images.

I let them publish my pic of French Laundry.

snails · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

I've gotten one of these, I let them publish the photo. It's not a photo I'm going to make money off of anyway, they are not making money off of it and it's only 150x150 square. So it wasn't a big deal.

kenwood33 · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawiyo

They've already stated they offer no compensation for photographers.

I'm more proud/impressed that they shot they picked was taken with my iPhone and AutoStitch app.

in my experience, these people are taught to ask things for free

amfoto1 · 20th of November 2009 (Fri)

The folks at Schmap are doing what they are doing for a profit and paychecks.

Why should photographers give them anything for free? The least they could do is offer micro stock rates... As insulting as that would be, it's still not as insulting as some techie making $125,000 a year and dreaming of the day when they'll do an IPO and all be millionaires, asking you to give them a freebie.

tim · 21st of November 2009 (Sat)

My cousin was thrilled to be published in a book a year or so ago, no payment of course. So thrilled she bought six copies at $100 each...

JeffreyG · 21st of November 2009 (Sat)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdifoto

I'm not against donating images - but I won't give them to someone who's going to make money off them.

Precisely. This isn't a charity looking to use your image. They plan to make money, and by not paying for photos they get to make more money.

Naturalist · 21st of November 2009 (Sat)

IMHO, I would tell them to take a hike.

Even if you are not a "pro photographer", your work still has value and should be worth more than a link to flickr and a ©Your Name.

19th of November 2009 (Thu)	#1
dawiyo Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NoVA Posts: 319	We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this I first want to preface this with stating that I am in no way a professional photographer and never really received compensation for my photos. I do however hang with many pro photographers (mostly sports and news guys) and understand the current situation the news photography world is in. With that knowledge, I fully intend to decline the following offer just on the principle. Hi dawiyo, I am writing to let you know that one of your photos has been short-listed for inclusion in the ninth edition of our Schmap San Francisco Guide, to be published mid-December 2009. www.schmap.com/... Clicking this link will take you to a page where you can: i) See which of your photos has been short-listed. ii) Submit or withdraw your photo from our final selection phase. iii) Learn how we credit photos in our Schmap Guides. iv) Browse online or download the eighth edition of our Schmap San Francisco Guide. While we offer no payment for publication, many photographers are pleased to submit their photos, as Schmap Guides give their work recognition and wide exposure, and are free of charge to readers. Photos are published at a maximum width of 150 pixels, are clearly attributed, and link to high-resolution originals at Flickr. Our submission deadline is Thursday, November 26. If you happen to be reading this message after this date, please still click on the link above (our Schmap Guides are updated frequently - photos submitted after this deadline will be considered for later releases). Best regards, Emma Williams, Managing Editor, Schmap Guides www.schmap.me/emmaj.williams What do you guys think? Am I overreacting being kind of irate that they just come out and state "others aren't getting paid, so no check for you" or should I see this as a sign of the times and get over it? __________________ Dave 5D2 \| 35L \| 135L \| 24-105L

19th of November 2009 (Thu)	#2
jacuff Goldmember Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 2,498	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=759847 http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=737279 http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=634765 http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=562544 Do what ever you want. If you fall into the category of pleased to submit, then do so. If you want money, then don't submit. __________________ Gear, Feedback (eBay), Web, Blog, FB, Twitter

19th of November 2009 (Thu)	#3
Karl Johnston Rare exception that I didn't say anything stupid" Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadian Arctic Posts: 9,020	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this Oh nevermind it's not a magazine. Actually I'm not sure what it is...looks like a complicated version of flickr maps or google maps. I can't really figure out what the hell they do actually. Go for it. Though I see no value in exposure from that kind __________________ Adventure The Canadian Arctic With Me Canadian Features Editor of Let's Be Wild Adventure Magazine Last edited by Karl Johnston : 19th of November 2009 (Thu) at 23:40.

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kenwood33 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,860 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this just give them a reasonable price and they may say yes __________________ Gearlist

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iAMB Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 673 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this I would be interested to see if they use your photo even if you tell them no. Either way, I think it is something for you to keep an eye on. __________________ 5Dc, EOS-1n, AE-1 24-70mmL , 50mm 1.8 Full Gear List "I'm so far behind, it looks like I'm winning" -Adam

20th of November 2009 (Fri)	#7
cdifoto Don't get pissy with me Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 32,719	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this I'm not against donating images - but I won't give them to someone who's going to make money off them. __________________ Did you lose Digital Photo Professional (DPP)? Get it here. Cursing at your worse-than-a-map reflector? Check out this vid!

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Dennis_Hammer Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 820 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this I wouldn't be irate over it. Who doesn't want something for nothing, not just a sign of the times human nature is all. Last edited by Dennis_Hammer : 21st of November 2009 (Sat) at 09:27.

20th of November 2009 (Fri)	#9
CosmoKid Goldmember Join Date: May 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 4,218 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this You only give them rights to a tiny little image that is put in an online area guide that people can download for free. Sure they likely make money on advertising but I have seen way worse requests for free images. I let them publish my pic of French Laundry. __________________ Joe- 2 bodies, L 2.8 zoom trilogy and a couple of primes iRocktheShot.com - Portfolio Gear/Feedback Facebook "Fan" Page -

20th of November 2009 (Fri)	#10
snails "I used the last of it to tip the strippers." Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lawndale, CA Posts: 1,515 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this I've gotten one of these, I let them publish the photo. It's not a photo I'm going to make money off of anyway, they are not making money off of it and it's only 150x150 square. So it wasn't a big deal. __________________ Scott - www.scott-photo.com - gear list Camera Bag Reviews - The Complete List You don't want my advice.

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amfoto1 Cream of the Crop Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 8,799	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this The folks at Schmap are doing what they are doing for a profit and paychecks. Why should photographers give them anything for free? The least they could do is offer micro stock rates... As insulting as that would be, it's still not as insulting as some techie making $125,000 a year and dreaming of the day when they'll do an IPO and all be millionaires, asking you to give them a freebie. __________________ Alan Myers "Walk softly and carry a big lens." GEAR: 5DII, 7D(x2), 50D(x3), some other cameras, a bunch of lenses & accessories - FLICKR - PRINTROOM

21st of November 2009 (Sat)	#13
tim Light Bringer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 47,935 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this My cousin was thrilled to be published in a book a year or so ago, no payment of course. So thrilled she bought six copies at $100 each... __________________ NZIPP Qualified Professional wedding photographer. Camera and Lens Reviews ~ Wellington Wedding Photographer Wellington Wedding Photographer (site2) ~ Wellington Wedding Photographer (site3) Read all my FAQs (wedding, printing, lighting, books, etc)

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Naturalist Adrift on a lonely vast sea Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minnesota Northwoods Posts: 4,569	Re: We want your stuff for free! - Thought you guys might enjoy this IMHO, I would tell them to take a hike. Even if you are not a "pro photographer", your work still has value and should be worth more than a link to flickr and a ©Your Name. __________________ Doug My Gear List http://www.flickr.com/photos/n8trshtr/ Entered: 2-16-84 Passed: 5-22-84 Raised: 6-19-84

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