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Old 19th of February 2010 (Fri)   #16
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If that were me, they would be paying me the full rate based on less that 24 hours cancellation.
Actually, if that were you, they probably wouldn't be paying you anything. Why? Because if they had had a contract put in front of them, and a deposit was required, they most likely would've not signed it, and certainly would not have paid a deposit. They would have looked for someone else and you would've been saved the trouble.
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WHY?

For so many shoots I never used them. I'd always shot friends and some strangers and never used a release. I've only had 1 flake and that was years ago.

I got a call a week ago from my old military command asking me to do the photography for an event today. I've always done the photography for all events and always free since it was during my work hours. Now I'm out of the military and freelance. Date, time and place set up and then the cost. $300 to drive 2 hours each way to and from the event, shoot the event for 2-3 hours, and CD of full resolution photos(I absolutely LOVE my old CO). A CD alone costs $350.00 with full resolution photos normally. Everything set up last week, put in my phone and done. Get up at 5am this morning and on the road by 6:30 only to get a phone call at 8am that I am no longer needed since they thought $300 was too much. I was supposed to start shooting at 9am. P*ssed. Say thanks, never contact me again for any type of photo job and launch in about professionalism.

Moral of the story..have a release. LOL I learned the hard way and am out $50.00 for gas.


The person they did end up going with has no experience with photography other than "I can use the command's point and shoot camera and I'm free".
That's why I get a kick out of the requests seen frequently on here: "I'm going to shoot the Olympics (or some such big event) but have never shot any sports what so ever! Please help me with the camera settings I'm going to need and where should I stand??

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Old 20th of February 2010 (Sat)   #18
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Oh OH! Update! The camera failed twice and then he had to stop to change batteries!!!! WHO does that? I mean really? WHO is that unprepared? Batteries died and you stop to walk out and change them? He left the ceremony and went to another room for batteries. I can see stopping to walk to the back of the room to get a battery from your bag but to walk OUT?
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Hehehe, they get what they pay for.
I usually shoot with whatever battery is in my body until it's dead then swap in a freshly charged one as I prefer not to recharge a half charged battery. I have my gear where I'm shooting and change right in front of the client. Most people understand running a battery down before charging.

No issue needing a new battery when you need one, but to leave the room is odd...
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Funny you say that as I was in the Navy for 12 years and at every command I was the command photographer. And I was an SK, now LS. I did more photojournalistic work than SK work. I had the MC senior cheif in NRSW try to get me to change rates due to many photos he's seen of mine over the last 7 years. I opted to get out of the military instead. I still due the photography for many different commands in San Diego.
I retired from the Navy 25 years ago as a Chief Quartermaster and a diver. I never did any photography for my commands when I was in because I wasn't as active in photography as I am now.

Currently, I do a lot of aviation photography and string for a monthly general aviation newspaper. This has put me in contact with the Public Affairs Offices of a number of bases in the Southwest, including Navy, Marines and Air Force. I have also had dealings with a couple of shipboard PAOs.

My conclusion is that most, if not all, Mass Communications Specialists in the Navy are assigned to public affairs duties where their primary job is promoting the Navy and enhancing the Navy's recruiting efforts. The largest ship I was on was a frigate and we didn't have a public affairs department. I would imagine an individual squadron would have an officer assigned as PAO as a secondary responsibility and there would not be any MCs assigned... If a command doesn't have a large, active public affairs office, it's likely they won't have the MCs available to shoot all the other stuff that takes place. That means they're going to find anyone they can when photographs are needed.
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Old 21st of February 2010 (Sun)   #21
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You are correct about squadrons and PAOs. In fact when I got to my latest command the YNs were taking pictures for all events. I happen to be buds with one of them who knew about my interest in photography outside of the Navy and talked me into bringing in a hard copy portfolio. Our Admin Officer asked me if I'd like to be the squadron photographer for all events. I replaced the squadron YN photographers and any MCs they would have come when deployments returned. My PAO and I began to build the website better with her degree in web design and my photography. We also did all of the press releases. No squadron I've ever been to has had a PH or MC billeted.
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I retired from the Navy 25 years ago as a Chief Quartermaster and a diver. I never did any photography for my commands when I was in because I wasn't as active in photography as I am now.

Currently, I do a lot of aviation photography and string for a monthly general aviation newspaper. This has put me in contact with the Public Affairs Offices of a number of bases in the Southwest, including Navy, Marines and Air Force. I have also had dealings with a couple of shipboard PAOs.

My conclusion is that most, if not all, Mass Communications Specialists in the Navy are assigned to public affairs duties where their primary job is promoting the Navy and enhancing the Navy's recruiting efforts. The largest ship I was on was a frigate and we didn't have a public affairs department. I would imagine an individual squadron would have an officer assigned as PAO as a secondary responsibility and there would not be any MCs assigned... If a command doesn't have a large, active public affairs office, it's likely they won't have the MCs available to shoot all the other stuff that takes place. That means they're going to find anyone they can when photographs are needed.
Chief,
The thing that I have always seen is maybe the command itself won't have an MC (or PH back in the day) but the base always has a plethora of them. I was stationed at NAS Whidbey Island, very small base but on top of my head I can think of at least 7 PH's that were assigned to base command. So no matter what we had going on (COC, frocking etc) there was always a PH available....but for some strange reason, us being a P-3 outfit we had 2 PH's. Over kill if you ask me.

On a side note I was always interested in seeing what the PH 3&2 book looked like, and what there rating exam had in it.
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Chief,
The thing that I have always seen is maybe the command itself won't have an MC (or PH back in the day) but the base always has a plethora of them. I was stationed at NAS Whidbey Island, very small base but on top of my head I can think of at least 7 PH's that were assigned to base command. So no matter what we had going on (COC, frocking etc) there was always a PH available....but for some strange reason, us being a P-3 outfit we had 2 PH's. Over kill if you ask me.

On a side note I was always interested in seeing what the PH 3&2 book looked like, and what there rating exam had in it.
I have the PH2 and 3 book! LOL I have all of them. Back when I was striking and working TAD with the base PHs in Point Mugu one of them gave them all to me. They are in my cabinet still with all of my other photography books.

I don't know about any other aircraft platforms but I know F14s, S3s and helo squadrons do not have media ratings. I've also worked in TPU and AIMD. They do not either. The base MCs where I worked were all awesome. Just awesome guys. I sometimes think if I had stayed would I have enjoyed being an MC. I went through everything to be an MC including many letters of recommendation of the Admirals and Generals I've photographed. But I wasn't happy with the Navy anymore. I'm happy now though-finishing school and working back with the Navy but on the civilian side making way more than I did in the Navy.
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But I wasn't happy with the Navy anymore. I'm happy now though-finishing school and working back with the Navy but on the civilian side making way more than I did in the Navy.
You can say that again. I was so sick and tired of seeing the Navy being run like a business instead of a military. Plus my last unit just put a really really bad taste in my mouth. Whatever genius Admiral thought it was a good idea to put Navy pilots (along with Navy maintainers) in an Marine F/A-18 training outfit is a moron. There was over 600 people in the unit, of those about 150 sailors. We had a Commands Senior Chief (who was spineless) and like 5 khakis who didn't give a crap cause there were all retiring. Being told how the Navy is supposed to run by a SgtMaj who was ground side his whole career.....UGH!
But I wouldn't give up my time in the Navy for anything. I met a lot of great people, put some coin in my pocket and traveled the world. Can't beat that with a stick. So now I am just going to finish up my time in the Reserves, putting in a cross rate package to MC and if not, I'll just stay IRR.
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You can say that again. I was so sick and tired of seeing the Navy being run like a business instead of a military. Plus my last unit just put a really really bad taste in my mouth. Whatever genius Admiral thought it was a good idea to put Navy pilots (along with Navy maintainers) in an Marine F/A-18 training outfit is a moron. There was over 600 people in the unit, of those about 150 sailors. We had a Commands Senior Chief (who was spineless) and like 5 khakis who didn't give a crap cause there were all retiring. Being told how the Navy is supposed to run by a SgtMaj who was ground side his whole career.....UGH!
But I wouldn't give up my time in the Navy for anything. I met a lot of great people, put some coin in my pocket and traveled the world. Can't beat that with a stick. So now I am just going to finish up my time in the Reserves, putting in a cross rate package to MC and if not, I'll just stay IRR.
What broke the camel's back for me was our division officer sexually harassing everyone and nothing being done about it. He had a thing for Filipino women and made no secret about it. He was just nasty about it. I'm white so he sure didn't like me, he hated the 2 black women we had in the shop and was a real dick towards them. Oh the horror stories. And we all reported him. But it went nowhere. He was an old crusty Warrant with over 25 years in the Navy. Nothing was going to happen to him. I mean he was hitting on girls that are his daughter's age. We also think he might have been a touch gay. We had a Filipino male that he would just stare at. Gay or not I don't care but when you sexually harass someone and nothing is done..it's time to get the hell out of dodge! Our CPO didn't help at all. He was loud and rude and very obnoxious. No one in the CPO mess liked him. I became really good friends with one of the AW CPOs and he would tell me they all hated him and mocked him behind his back. They called him baby Kanye cause he acts just like him. And he never praises, always punishes. Never rewards..our last few AMIs we got perfect scores, no hits on anything. I was the LPO and I made sure our junior people knew what to do but he never rewarded us. Always told us if you get one hit it's over time and weekend work. Never if you pass or do good I will reward you this way. He stopped 2 NAMS for me for being the ARO and SK LPO for almost 2 years and I only got my NAM as I was getting out of the military. Had it not been for those 2 I would have stayed. But it wasn't worth it to me to go to another command and find out there's someone just like them there.
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I retired in 1985, before many of you were old enough to even consider joining up. It's a different Navy now than it was when I enlisted in 1965. Back then tradition meant something and we wore uniforms that made us look like sailors, not Marines. While the new NWU is a good looking uniform, it takes away some of the distinction of being in the Navy. And don't get me started on the new service uniform with the khaki shirt. Nothing like watering down some of the distinction of making Chief... I say go back to the uniforms of the 1960's: Jumpers and bell bottomed trousers, dungarees, white hats and pea coats.

On the subject of the NAM: Not to take anything away from you as I'm sure you were a fine Petty Officer, but it's my opinion the awarding of the NAM is excessive. Getting one used to mean a sailor was something special, but now everyone has one, including some non-rated personnel.

Back on our original topic, not all bases have large Public Affairs Offices. Last week I had the opportunity to participate in a group photocall at NAF El Centro. We had the opportunity to shoot a Blue Angels practice and some routine training operations. Right from the edge of the runway... The PAO at El Centro is a civilian with minimal staff and no MCs. She has to borrow from other departments when she needs personnel. When we were there she had an AZ, an AK and AME helping her with the 40+ people in our group.
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Eh it's El Centro Blink and you miss it.
But I wanted to join the Navy that you were in Chief. I totally agree that these new uniforms look like crap Marine reject uniforms. People earn those khakis (or at least use to) but now they give them away like they do NAMS and COMMS. The sh*t I have seen people get NAMs and COMMs for is pathetic to say the least.
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Yeah I miss the bell bottoms and prison shirt..we were still wearing those when I joined and they were gone by 2000.

I don't want to get to whiney about the NAM stuff. But I will say that I deserved them having been the LPO of 2 divisions. And I deserved them for getting no hits on AMI 2 years. Yes they are given away if you happen to fart down wind and no one smells it. But I've also learned that it's all about butt kissing and how much time you spend in the smoke pit and who's booties you can kiss. I do neither. Oh well. I'm out and happy with life now. But yes NAMs that people deserve never seem to make it.
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Smart business people require deposits to eliminate these types of problems.
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Good luck getting a deposit out of the military.
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