Nokia: camera phones will soon rival professional cameras

[Jahled]

Originally Posted by Pekka

"Anssi Vanjoki, while delivering a speech in Helsinki, told an audience that camera phones will soon rival professional cameras. Nokia will “revolutionise the market”, and heavy lenses will no longer be needed. All this is expected to happen in the “very near future”..."

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/04/20...12-months.html

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Obviously physics and photography basics is something that fellow failed in executive training camp. My N900 delivers images in about 1/5th quality of Canon G1's which I used 10 years ago.

Hahahahaha

[NaKiD EyE]

can't wait to see some telephotos at the end of a cell phone.

[FSUnoles]

someone just upped new shots with their camera
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/...-n8-untouched/

[MMX]

Originally Posted by FSUnoles

someone just upped new shots with their camera
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/...-n8-untouched/

When I compare it to photos from my old SE K750i the only difference I see that the photos are bigger. It has more megapixels than my Canon 40D but it´s not able to take a noise-free photo even under direct sunlight.

[Jannie]

Please keep this in perspective, to much of the public a professional looking photograph is one that causes them to go Wow, pixels, noise, image quality don't mean much to them if it looks good in a small image on their computer. I am a huge fan of iPhones and point and shoot cameras and have led several workshops, one to teens and one to adults to help them use these cameras more affectively based on what the photographer Chas Narvis is now promoting in his book The Best Camera- is the one you have, holding to the idea that if you have a camera always with you and you develop the idea to use it every day as a communication tool, it can help each individual have fun and make photography a personal life enhancing tool.

I tried an example of how this can be done over a year ago, we were having a discussion on facebook about the potential of using a phone camera so I went for a long walk around my neighborhood with my iPhone and then processed the images in the iPhoto software that came with my iMac and posted an album of about 35 photos on Facebook- Nothing outrageous but what I hoped were interesting enough to get people to look at them.

It has worked, many of my friends now post photos on facebook daily along with their posts to show what they are doing, interesting places they are visiting etc. It has become a new form of photojournalism and I'm a big fan and promoting this.

While yes the photos were nice the of course were no where near what we know as professional and that has no bearing with the people on my facebook friends page bit since most of us don't read many paper publications anymore opting to check out the world on our computer this concept of something good needs at times to be prefaced as something that looks good on my computer.

The noise about the new iPhone that was 't to be found appears to have a bigger lens and a flash. My guess is it's micro sensor will jump up from 3MP to 4MP (Apple like Canon doesn't want to give it away all at once- it will probably have a digital zoom and a few other improvements. Will it be as good as a Canon Elph point and shoot, not even close except for one thing, it will ways be with the person who owns it and all they have to do is get uses to using it.

To me this pushes away much of the low end point and shoot market but makes necessary greater improvement in the 4/3rds market and this excites me.

I also hope along with the improvements in the new iPhone camera that the make it easier for me to type these messages as this was sent from my iPhone which always exhibits some pretty confusing typo errors and corrections.

[MMX]

Originally Posted by Jannie

many of my friends now post photos on facebook daily along with their posts to show what they are doing, interesting places they are visiting etc. It has become a new form of photojournalism

No, it has become a new form of Orwellian society, the only difference is that people are doing it on their own accord.

[ckckevin]

I do see in the near future that phone camera will replace the P&S because of it's convineance, but i don't think it'll replace FF or crop camera though.

[kent andersen]

I think all of you have miss understood this totaly.

What he actually would have liked to tell the whole world is that nokia and canon are about to join together... to put a cell phone into the new 5D. Nokia has understood that most photographers carry their camera with them everywhere, so why not add a cell phone into the camera. The nokia-canon 5D camera phone... with W-LAN, Internet, Games, google-books, office, and off course Photoshop Phone edition. If people are willing to watch videos on a small iphone, why not using the small screen on a 5d to watch youtube videos to. You will also have space enough for graphic cards, enough to 3d video games. Shooter games will get a new dimention, when you actually get points each time you shoot a bird, animal or person with youre camera. The brand "canon" will be a bit more justified when you can use youre 5d in a shooter game. And the best thing, you can still use it as a camera.

So what sounds like Nokia is dreaming about making their phones into pro cameras, is actually canon that is going to turn their pro-cameras into cell phones.

Edit: by the way, I wonder how long time it will take before this post ends up as a cr1 rumour over at canon-rumours

[OregonRebel]

The true interpretation of this article is the literal one: camera phones, currently beaten in IQ by "real" cameras, will treat said DSLRs as the competition that they are and take steps to eliminate them. Whenever the camera in a cell phone is activated (i.e. a good photo opportunity presents itself), the phones will broadcast a feedback signal to cause the image stabilizers of nearby DSLRs to malfunction, causing blurry photos and ensuring that the camera phones' photos will reign triumphant. Several defense contractors are helping with the project.

[pcunite]

Originally Posted by kent andersen

What he actually would have liked to tell the whole world is that nokia and canon are about to join together... to put a cell phone into the new 5D.

LOL, that was good.

[Jannie]

One thing that is getting pretty obvious, and that the media which does use stills is asking the non professional market to provide free images for them in exchange for the credit for their efforts. Cell phones - better cell phones will provide this; for the amateur this is very exciting. I was accused by a friend a few days ago when sending him one of my iPhone shots that he knew how much I've been wanting a medium format iPhone LOL.

[MMX]

Originally Posted by OregonRebel

Tthe phones will broadcast a feedback signal to cause the image stabilizers of nearby DSLRs to malfunction, causing blurry photos and ensuring that the camera phones' photos will reign triumphant.

You watch too much sci-fi... there´s not even a theoretical way how to (de)activate IS remotely if we talk about Canon. Maybe it could be possible if the stabilizer was inside the camera body (Sony or Pentax) and the camera used WiFi module, however if you held the camera steadily it wouldn´t influence the photo anyway.

[MMX]

Originally Posted by Jannie

One thing that is getting pretty obvious, and that the media which does use stills is asking the non professional market to provide free images for them in exchange for the credit for their efforts.

WTF? Company that doesn´t want to pay for newsworthy photos doesn´t deserve them even if they were from a pinhole. I know that for a BFU it´s very exciting and pleasant experience to have his photos published but in long term it decreases the general quality of the media because they say: "We can get good photos by a pro but we have to pay for them, or we can get not so good photos for free. What we choose? Umm... screw the quality, people only care about the content".

So if you really have something that is worth publishing, ask them to pay. You can even register on a web server such as Demotix and if someone is interested in your photos, he will buy them from there (it´s a stock photo server for journalists).

[OregonRebel]

Originally Posted by MMX

You watch too much sci-fi... there´s not even a theoretical way how to (de)activate IS remotely if we talk about Canon. Maybe it could be possible if the stabilizer was inside the camera body (Sony or Pentax) and the camera used WiFi module, however if you held the camera steadily it wouldn´t influence the photo anyway.

Actually, it is relatively easy to cause modern electronics to malfunction. One way is with EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse), and most modern ICs are susceptible to it. Interestingly, older electronics (i.e. vacuum tubes) are less susceptible to EMP.

Anything wireless is more susceptible to interference, of course, but that doesn't mean that non-wireless electronics are immune. Proper design/shielding helps.

Edit: Here's an interesting link about different ratings, including the relevant FCC one: http://www.idp.net/sysinfo/standardsand.asp

[MMX]

Originally Posted by OregonRebel

Actually, it is relatively easy to cause modern electronics to malfunction. One way is with EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse), and most modern ICs are susceptible to it. Interestingly, older electronics (i.e. vacuum tubes) are less susceptible to EMP.

As far as I know, the IS is activated with a manual mechanic switch (although inside there is "something" electric, I don´t know exactly what).