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Oct 13, 2010 12:35 |  #1

Anyone have experience with Hobo Lighting products.... this looks might tasty at <$50USD
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Oct 13, 2010 13:14 |  #2

Those look like Paul Buff's that his old manufacturers "stole" and sold on eBay and UK/Europe.


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Oct 13, 2010 13:42 |  #3

Seanzky wrote in post #11089822external link
Those look like Paul Buff's that his old manufacturers "stole" and sold on eBay and UK/Europe.

With the exception that people can get these now.... :rolleyes:


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Oct 13, 2010 13:44 |  #4

You know, I've heard conflicting stories on this. One of them being that PCB is off his rocker and accusing people of stealing the plans even though they aren't made in the same factory and there is sufficient difference between the products.

Reference the comments in this post for the 42" version:
http://www.lightingrum​ours.com ...lic-umbrellas-from-20-681external link


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Oct 13, 2010 13:48 |  #5

It's possible, Aaron. But these do look very similar to Buff's. One way to tell is to buy one and see if Buff's branding is on it.


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Oct 13, 2010 13:58 |  #6

Might just have to do that. :-)


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Oct 13, 2010 16:24 |  #7

If you read the comments from the 42" varieties (http://www.lightingrum​ours.com ...lic-umbrellas-from-20-681external link), then they have said specifically that they don't use the same factory.


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Oct 13, 2010 19:14 |  #8

lazer-jock wrote in post #11090926external link
If you read the comments from the 42" varieties (http://www.lightingrum​ours.com ...lic-umbrellas-from-20-681external link), then they have said specifically that they don't use the same factory.

That doesn't mean a lot in Chinese industry. The design of any device that appears to be a hot seller in the West spreads between Chinese factories like a virus. There will generally be at least two and probably more distinct Chinese factories making anything might sell well. That's part of the problem with getting good quality control out of China--the item you buy today likely doesn't come from the same factory as the item your friend bought last week.




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Oct 13, 2010 20:37 |  #9

I don't see how it doesn't make a difference as many people have specifically been against the PLM's coming directly from Buff's initial manufacturer. Everything that is popular has a knock-off, but as long as they're meeting demand WITHOUT stabbing a business partner in the back...well, I can live with that. It isn't like PCB had the very first idea for a parabolic umbrella in the history of mankind. He modified someone's idea on his own to make a buck off of it.


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Oct 13, 2010 21:35 |  #10

In China, different factories can mean different factories owned by the same person.


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Oct 14, 2010 03:27 |  #11

Seanzky wrote in post #11090044external link
One way to tell is to buy one and see if Buff's branding is on it.

Just bought one.
We´ll see.


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Oct 14, 2010 03:44 |  #12

It doesn't seem very effective, if you take a look at the product photo i'm curious how the flash could fill the whole umbrella??
Looks like the shaft is a bit to short?


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Oct 14, 2010 06:22 |  #13

lazer-jock wrote in post #11092393external link
I don't see how it doesn't make a difference as many people have specifically been against the PLM's coming directly from Buff's initial manufacturer. Everything that is popular has a knock-off, but as long as they're meeting demand WITHOUT stabbing a business partner in the back...well, I can live with that. It isn't like PCB had the very first idea for a parabolic umbrella in the history of mankind. He modified someone's idea on his own to make a buck off of it.

A. How do you know that version isn't coming from Buff's initial manufacturer? The odds are that it does--they almost certainly did not stop manufacturing them--they're already tooled and in production.

B. Chinese manufacturers don't stab each other in the backs--they're operating cooperatively under a totalitarian government in a command economy. But they most definitely stab American manufacturers in the back. Flooding the world market with cheap knock-offs of popular products from any other nation is the foundation of the Chinese government's international trade plan.




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Oct 14, 2010 06:26 |  #14

WireWess wrote in post #11094140external link
It doesn't seem very effective, if you take a look at the product photo i'm curious how the flash could fill the whole umbrella??
Looks like the shaft is a bit to short?

To get an accurate parabolic effect (a relatively tight beam), the bulb of the flash (without a reflector)must be positioned just barely inside the edge of the bowl. Actually the shaft of the initial version was too long, and it encouraged people to put the flash too far out.

Using the supplied speedring, puts the flash at its optimum distance automatically.




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Oct 14, 2010 08:23 |  #15

RDKirk wrote in post #11094509external link
A. How do you know that version isn't coming from Buff's initial manufacturer? The odds are that it does--they almost certainly did not stop manufacturing them--they're already tooled and in production.

The factory in question was producing parabolic umbrellas that still had the "Buff" brand molded in. Those were the tooled molds that were being used by the offending factory. The ones being discussed in this thread do not come from the offending factory and do not have the "Buff" mark as stated by the distributor of said items under scrutiny.

Now, we can speculate that they have replaced those specific molds to quell the moral outcry coming from around the globe, or suspect that this may just be another factory that is getting into the game with a knock-off design from the UK. Personally, it is easier for me to believe the later, but neither you or I have proof one way or the other. Just my two cents


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