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Old 27th of November 2010 (Sat)   #1
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Default 60D High ISO Performance!

I am looking into buying the 60D. I keep going back and forth between 60D and 7D. I realize the 7D is a better camera. How much better is it really? I don't really need the 19 AF points even though that is a nice option. I am not too concerned about the 100% viewfinder even though that isn't bad either. I was wondering how the image quality compares to this camera at normal ISO and high ISO. It is a lot cheaper then the 7D and the savings could be used towards L-Glass. I have been doing a lot of reading and most people say it's the lens that makes the camera. What do you think?
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Old 27th of November 2010 (Sat)   #2
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

Pure IQ and low light shots are similar. If you don't need the FPS, better AF, MA - then get the 60D and put the savings into a nice lens.
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Old 27th of November 2010 (Sat)   #3
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

For all intents and purposes the 60D and 7D share the same sensor. The only difference I have been able to find anywhere is that the 7D has twice as many output channels. This would have no effect on IQ. So to me it looks like the 60D would be the better choice for you since a lot of the features that make the 7D cost more are not things that are important to you. The 60D should perform the same at high ISO as the 7D.
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Old 27th of November 2010 (Sat)   #4
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

What you say makes sense to me. I just wanted to hear it from others. I stopped out at Best Buy earlier today and handled the 60D. The camera feels great for not having a metal body. I think it is damn solid.
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What you say makes sense to me. I just wanted to hear it from others. I stopped out at Best Buy earlier today and handled the 60D. The camera feels great for not having a metal body. I think it is damn solid.
I saw one the other day at Best Buy for the first time as well and I would have to say that I was pretty surprised. It feels much better in hand than the spec sheet would imply and all of the worries about it having a "plastic" body I think were blown way out of proportion. Of course that will happen with speculation before anyone actually uses one. The 60D felt very solid and there were no squeaks, creaks, or rattles on a body that I'm sure had been handled by many people. I think it's a camera that should serve you very well.
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Old 27th of November 2010 (Sat)   #6
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

The 60D should be a slightly better low-ISO camera than the 7D as well (in terms of image quality), since the 7D has a problem with unbalanced green channels (quite possibly because it has dual read channels in the sensor). That imbalance causes vertical banding in the deep shadows, which means you can't recover details in the shadows as well with the 7D as you presumably can with the 60D.

The T2i doesn't have that problem, which is why I presume the 60D doesn't, either.

It's a subtle thing that you probably won't notice, and ACR 6.1 generally does a reasonably nice job of dealing with it (it's still visible but it's not nearly as objectionable there as it had been), but it may be something else to consider, particularly if you like to make use of the full dynamic range of the camera.
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

I've been very impressed with the high iso performance of my 60D.

iso1600 is very usable, and 3200 to get the shot is still ok! Coming from a 400D were iso400 was a stretch its a real luxury.
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I've been very impressed with the high iso performance of my 60D.

iso1600 is very usable, and 3200 to get the shot is still ok! Coming from a 400D were iso400 was a stretch its a real luxury.
Try using the noise reduction on Ligthroom 3.2, you be surprised how well the iso 3200 shots clean up.
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Try using the noise reduction on Ligthroom 3.2, you be surprised how well the iso 3200 shots clean up.
You will be surprised by how much a ISO6400 shot cleans up! 6400 was usable when i had my 7D. No reason why it wouldnt be on the 60D...If what someone said ^^^ is true about the banding, ISO6400 should be even more usable and even better to process. Ive printed 8x10's using ISO6400...they looked great, with plenty of detail. The truth is in the prints...not viewing at 100% on a monitor(not saying that you do/anyone does).
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Old 27th of November 2010 (Sat)   #10
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

This is a 7D ISO 3200 shot no noise reduction:



Now it looks a bit ropey at 100% but who prints at 100% and ISO 3200 with no NR?

Also an ISo 6400 shot, topaz nr:


I dont think this would print out great over A4, probably make a great 7x5 ot 10x8 print.
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The 60D should be a slightly better low-ISO camera than the 7D as well (in terms of image quality), since the 7D has a problem with unbalanced green channels (quite possibly because it has dual read channels in the sensor). That imbalance causes vertical banding in the deep shadows, which means you can't recover details in the shadows as well with the 7D as you presumably can with the 60D.
The vertical banding in the shadows is independent of the color sensitivity differences in the two green channels and the gain differences of odd and even lines. These are 3 distinct issues in the 7D.
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The vertical banding in the shadows is independent of the color sensitivity differences in the two green channels and the gain differences of odd and even lines. These are 3 distinct issues in the 7D.
I agree I hated the banding in the 7D. Couldnt push them files at high ISO at all really.
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

If you have no need for crazy af performance, flash commander, MA, and the other wealth of features the 7D has over the 60D, then I am sure the 60D is for you!
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Default Re: 60D High ISO Performance!

The 60D has the flash commander doo-hickey as well.

If I was buying again now that the 60D is available I wouldn't buy the 7D knowing what I do now about both cameras...
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The 60D has the flash commander doo-hickey as well.

If I was buying again now that the 60D is available I wouldn't buy the 7D knowing what I do now about both cameras...
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