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Consensus 7D vs 5Dii For Bird Photography?

 
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Feb 05, 2011 10:38 |  #1

Having gone through the lengthy "5D Mark II vs 7D" thread it seems to me that the overall consensus regarding which camera is better for bird photography (lets say with a 400 5.6) is that the 7D is the better choice because of it´s superior auto focus system and that the quality at high ISO advantage of the 5D ii is only one stop and doesn´t out weigh the 7D AF benifit. Is that about right? I also gather from that thread that a 5D iii may become available that will have the AF advantage of the current 7D. Hmmm...up grade to the 7D from my 50D now or wait for the 5D iii?




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Feb 05, 2011 10:48 |  #2

dont forget the 8fps of the 7D too. Also the 7D will give you more reach with its 1.6x crop sensor.

All in all, the 7D is far better suited to birding. Having owned both they're suited to different things


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Feb 05, 2011 10:53 |  #3

The one other advantage the 7D has over the 5DII is it's ability to put more pixels on the target. With it's higher pixel density, an image taken with both cameras, same lens, same setting, the 7D will put about 54,000 pixels on each square mm of target to the 5DIIs 24,000. Unless you're shooting at the fringes of the cameras capabilities, that will translate to more detail.


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Feb 05, 2011 10:56 |  #4

7D of course. However, as I remembered, people, in theory, prefer the 5dmarkII because the larger megapixel count. Therefore, it can capture more details and would allow you to crop more of the shot. Assuming you can nail the focus with only the center point. Apparently, only the center point is sensitive enough for fast action shots. Wondering who is still using a 5dmarkII for bird photography??? :)


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Feb 05, 2011 11:01 |  #5

7d and 400 5.6 is THE combo for bird photography. It has a huge value for money advantage over other set ups, you get an L lens and prob the best crop camera out there all for a pretty reasonable price. I'm not saying its cheap but a 400mm lens and 8 fps is the way to go to capture sharp feather detail.....
I upgraded from my 450d/XSi mainly for the faster frame rate and higher ISO. The 8fps buries the 5dii's and this is what seperates the two for birding. Twice as many shots gives you twice as many chances to getting a sharp pic when the bird is hopping branch to branch and wont stay still.....


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Feb 05, 2011 11:06 as a reply to h14nha's post |  #6

7D will give you a better AF system to track moving subjects
5Dmkii will give you better detail/sharpness




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Feb 05, 2011 11:07 |  #7

Pitter wrote in post #11781928external link
Having gone through the lengthy "5D Mark II vs 7D" thread it seems to me that the overall consensus regarding which camera is better for bird photography (lets say with a 400 5.6) is that the 7D is the better choice because of it´s superior auto focus system and that the quality at high ISO advantage of the 5D ii is only one stop and doesn´t out weigh the 7D AF benifit. Is that about right?

I understand that you read the thread maybe in its entirety, from your statement, i can say thats about right. with BIF photography there's a good chance that you'll crop your shots to get the right framing after the shoot, so having full frame doesn't matter. the ~3x fps burst of the 5D2 is also not that great to catch a moving bird's varying positions in flight, compared to the 8fps of a 7D. however, not to go against your case, but you could just put this post in that thread as well instead of making a new one but eh, the deed is done.

Pitter wrote in post #11781928external link
I also gather from that thread that a 5D iii may become available that will have the AF advantage of the current 7D. Hmmm...up grade to the 7D from my 50D now or wait for the 5D iii?

if you're still satisfied with the 50D, just stick with it until you feel like it's limiting you from getting the shots you need. otherwise, upgrade to a 7D or to the 1D series. there's no point waiting on a 5d3 in hopes of canon placing the new AF system and other nice goodies along with it that will limit the sales on other lines. maybe it will just get better video like high speed 120fps on 2160P format :cool:


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Feb 05, 2011 11:12 as a reply to TooManyShots's post |  #8

:confused: ... 7D as a quite low IL range and noise level :rolleyes: ... I am not sure you will get better picture with a 7D than a 5D (assuming length is not an issue)

The 7D can't get the best of a lens with the actual sensor .. When you see dxomark resolution profile there is a huge margin for 5DMKII with ultra sharp lenses like 85L
http://www.dxomark.com ...(brand2)/Canon#div1​anchorexternal link
So with a 300L2.8, 400L2.8 or 500L4 (assuming distance can be compensated by some steps), 5DMKII will surely get better results (It's what I get between my 50D and 5DMKII, margin of the 5DMKII is very important) with DXOmark we can see that difference between 50D and 7D sensors is not really significant ...
Central AF point is almost similar between my 50D and 5DMKII even in the night..

Let's hope Canon will make soon a competitor to the Nikon D7000 or Pentax K5 with 14IL range and a rather good signal/noise control and colors sensitivity....

http://front1.dxomark.​com ...nd2)/Canon/(brand3)​/Nikonexternal link

I will move from my 50D as soon such body will exist. Canon won't be able to wait too long before creating such competitor..


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Feb 05, 2011 11:15 |  #9

If you want a great OOF IQ shots...get a 5D II ...otherwise get a 7D.


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Feb 05, 2011 11:16 as a reply to chrizramiscal's post |  #10

your 50D & EF 400 - is already very good for BIF
the 7D is a bit better especially in AF department - but the diff is not big
the 5DII is a great FF camera but not for Birds (unless they are out for a wedding)

( "7d and 400 5.6 is THE combo for bird photography" - Ian H14 XX - you got a great pic in your flicker)


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Feb 05, 2011 11:19 |  #11

newworld666 wrote in post #11782092external link
Let's hope Canon will make soon a competitor to the Nikon D7000 or Pentax K5 with 14IL range and a rather good signal/noise control and colors sensitivity....

http://front1.dxomark.​com ...nd2)/Canon/(brand3)​/Nikonexternal link

I will move from my 50D as soon such body will exist. Canon won't be able to wait too long before creating such competitor..

I'm tempted to agree with you. For serious BIF folks Canon would probably be my 3rd or 4th pick as far as lens and body systems go.


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Feb 05, 2011 11:23 |  #12

maverick678 wrote in post #11782102external link
If you want a great OOF IQ shots...get a 5D II ...otherwise get a 7D.


For $2500 to get a 5dmarkII, you can pickup an used 1dmarkIII. Now, you are in the bird photography heaven. :)

The 5D is good only for shooting backyard birds in the feeder area. No amount of timing is fast enough for birds!!! :) Except shooting an egret which stands still for hours. The barely 4 fps isn't cutting it.


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Feb 05, 2011 11:44 |  #13

TooManyShots wrote in post #11782136external link
For $2500 to get a 5dmarkII, you can pickup an used 1dmarkIII. Now, you are in the bird photography heaven. :)

The 5D is good only for shooting backyard birds in the feeder area. No amount of timing is fast enough for birds!!! :) Except shooting an egret which stands still for hours. The barely 4 fps isn't cutting it.

That's not really true . Some of the best bird shots I've seen , came from a lady using a 5D + 400mm 5.6L + 2x converter .


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Feb 05, 2011 11:48 |  #14

CountryBoy wrote in post #11782233external link
That's not really true . Some of the best bird shots I've seen , came from a lady using a 5D + 400mm 5.6L + 2x converter .

Are those birds in flight or stationary subjects?




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Feb 05, 2011 11:49 |  #15

Asleep :lol:.

fotobean wrote in post #11782258external link
Are those birds in flight or stationary subjects?


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