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22" Kacey: - $279 solution with bracket
http://www.kaceyenterp​rises.com/?page_id=461external link

16" Cheeta: $129 solution with bracket
http://www.cheetahstan​d.com ...d-Pro-16%22-Beauty/Detailexternal link

I'm considering both of these for indoor & outdoor shoots with my 430EX. I would get the appropriate shoe mount adapter for each.

As it stand, the Cheeta is about 1/2 the price total with mount adapter so I'm leaning toward that, but beauty dishes are new to me so looking for input. 16" vs. 22" ?

What do you recommend and why?

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just to add, the Cheeta adds a sock diffuser as well in the price, while the Kacey is extra.

from my research, it seems the Cheeta is a bargain... also considering i have a Qbox 24 on the way, perhaps having a smaller 16" light modifier would be nice for versitility.

but at the same time, i'm wondering if i'm missing something here... if there's a big difference i'm not 'in the know' about....

any input guys?

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16" vs 22" is a major difference in size, if you put them next to each other it is surprising how much there is a difference.

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That 6" difference in diameter is significant. If you're just using it as a reflector for fill or accents then it's no big deal but if you're using it as your main light source then the difference is huge, both in terms of quality of light and coverage.

The smaller dish will require that you use it closer than the 22" to achieve the same quality of light and if you want soft light you really must add the sock and work it VERY close to your subject.

The 16" dish is nice but I don't particularly care for it as a main light source.

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yeah, size is the ovbious difference.

I should note, I have a QBox 24 in transit to me right now... and I believe the 22" Kacey will yield a similar look being its a white dish - do you think it will be a little redundant?

while the Cheeta is silver coated, so it should yield a more contrasty higher efficient light.

If you had the QBox 24 already, which would you go with?

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I own a Cheetah Qbox24 and a Speedotron 22" beauty dish. They are very different animals.

The dish is shallow, the qbox is deep. The dish, even with a white interior has no other diffusion and less travel for the light to further diffuse. The qbox can have up to 2 layers of diffusion. That and the depth of the box contribute to a very soft, diffused light.

I don't consider a 22" beauty dish and a 24" softbox to be at all redundant.

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I have kacey dish (dual speedlite option) and QBox, like Robert mentioned two different things. But I would just play with QBox24" right now and then add dish later.

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Gotcha, thanks for the input guys.

I take it you like the Kacey better than the Cheeta overall than due to size, silver vs. white aside?

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Kacey is better build, can support dual speedlites and bigger.

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you guys are saying the Qbox and B-Dish are "two totally different things". What are the exact differences? i know, i know... noob question

i know you'll get round catch lights vs. square in eyes, but other then that ??

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Honestly I would try some reading on what the beauty dish does. Look at some beauty dish shots vs softbox.

Here is one the sites which will show comparison. Select beauty dish on one and softbox on other.

http://www.hensel.eu ...?no_cache=1&lcat=7&​rcat=9external link

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bobbyz wrote in post #11816876external link
Honestly I would try some reading on what the beauty dish does. Look at some beauty dish shots vs softbox.

Here is one the sites which will show comparison. Select beauty dish on one and softbox on other.

http://www.hensel.eu ...?no_cache=1&lcat=7&​rcat=9external link

excellent! thanks!

i really like the lighting a beauty dish provides...

so I guess i'm back to my original question comparing the Cheeta vs. the Kacey.

The Cheeta comes with a white sock diffuser. Do you think this will give the 'white dish look' ?

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m.shalaby wrote in post #11817320external link
excellent! thanks!

i really like the lighting a beauty dish provides...

so I guess i'm back to my original question comparing the Cheeta vs. the Kacey.

The Cheeta comes with a white sock diffuser. Do you think this will give the 'white dish look' ?

anyone on this last question^ ?

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I haven't used sock on my dish but I would assume it will give more a look of the softbox. Generally you want the use the dish pretty close so 22" is better in that regard than 16".

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If you're still comparing the 16" to the 22" they're still very different. I might be alone here but I just don't find that any modification to the 16" dish gives 1. The look I like, or 2. The look of the 22" dish.

As I mentioned earlier, versatility of the 22" is much greater and you're not forced to work so close to the subject.

If you use the very loose rule of thumb that says the optimal distance for a modifier is between 1 and 1.5 times the diameter, or longest edge in the case of a softbox.

That puts the 16" dish between 16" and 24". That's pretty close and you'll be framing very tightly.

Using the rule of thumb with a 22" dish puts you between 22" and 33". I find that to be a much better working distance. Many people use the 22" dish at about 3 feet from the subject and it's a great look.

So, if you're dead set on getting the 16" dish then the diffusion sock helps but won't get you the same look at the 22" unless you're super close.

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