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40D to 50D or 7D?

 
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May 07, 2010 07:06 |  #1

I've never been happy with my 40D (poor focus, high noise from ISO)400,etc).
I'm thinking of upgrading to 50D or 7D (used a 50D this weekend and was inpressed)
If you use any of the two please let me know pros and cons.

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May 07, 2010 08:53 |  #2

If you're unhappy with the 40D for the reasons given, I'm not sure what you will gain from either body you listed as possible replacements.


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May 07, 2010 08:55 |  #3

Choose your poison here:

Great IQ and image quality: 5DII
Fast Focus and FPS: 7D

If there was a do it all body we would all have the same camera :p


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May 07, 2010 08:56 |  #4

Lacks_focus wrote in post #10137974 (external link)
If you're unhappy with the 40D for the reasons given, I'm not sure what you will gain from either body you listed as possible replacements.

correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the 7D offer just what he wants? (fast focus, high ISO performance, etc)

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May 07, 2010 09:11 |  #5

The 40D has quite the awesome focus system... in one shot mode it performs just as good as my 1-series bodies, even on non-centre points. If you find the 40D focusing to be bad, then I'm not sure any camera will work for you. The 50D has the same focusing system so it shouldn't be any better. I would venture a guess to say that it's either user error, or your individual 40D just might need a little tuneup from Canon to really sing.

The 40D is arguably one of Canon's cleanest high ISO 1.6 crop cams too. It's a real gem of a camera, and performs up to the task for a lot of professional shooting.


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May 07, 2010 09:13 |  #6

Andread wrote in post #10137990 (external link)
correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't the 7D offer just what he wants? (fast focus, high ISO performance, etc)

drew

He states poor focus, which isn't entirely true of the 40D, many are using it for sports with excellent results. He also states poor noise above ISO400, also not really true of the 40D. Maybe above 1600, but 400? My point was he may have pretty high (possibly unrealistic) expectations from his GEAR and maybe slightly lower expectations from his ABILITIES as a photographer to extract the very best out the equipment he already has… Not trying to start anything here, but an all to common theme seems to be blame the gear for problems perceived.


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May 07, 2010 10:12 |  #7

I have the 40D and 7D. The 7D focus is better and has more options, but it's not the be-all, end-all. In other words, don't think that everything suddenly will always be in focus; and if you're having issues with the 40D -- especially in single shot mode -- I suspect you might have the same issues with the 7D. In good light, the image quality, I think, is pretty much the same between the two. In low light, I never push the 40D past 1600, and even then that's done reluctantly. I've routinely shot the 7D at 3200 and 6400; there's noise, but it cleans up acceptably, to me, in post-processing (though the images get softer, from the NR). Considering the way I like to shoot (candids, pj, natural light), that means I get a lot of shots I simply couldn't or wouldn't have gotten with the 40D. Depending on what you shoot, the 7D's higher resolution can also be a significant bonus if you need to crop. I didn't realize how much until my wife shot a football game with a 200mm, and I was trying to save shots of action on the other side of the field -- and could!


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May 07, 2010 10:15 |  #8

picturecrazy wrote in post #10138079 (external link)
The 40D has quite the awesome focus system... in one shot mode it performs just as good as my 1-series bodies, even on non-centre points. If you find the 40D focusing to be bad, then I'm not sure any camera will work for you. The 50D has the same focusing system so it shouldn't be any better. I would venture a guess to say that it's either user error, or your individual 40D just might need a little tuneup from Canon to really sing.

The 40D is arguably one of Canon's cleanest high ISO 1.6 crop cams too. It's a real gem of a camera, and performs up to the task for a lot of professional shooting.

100% Agree...

I keep telling myself I need to replace my 40D but then I go out and shoot with it, pour over the resulting images and ask myself, "Exactly why do I need to replace this?"


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May 07, 2010 10:24 |  #9

betty1704 wrote in post #10137584 (external link)
I've never been happy with my 40D (poor focus, high noise from ISO)400,etc).
I'm thinking of upgrading to 50D or 7D (used a 50D this weekend and was inpressed)
If you use any of the two please let me know pros and cons.

Thanks

I have both and had the 40D as well. The 50D is a nice improvement over the 40D in many ways. The AF is marginally quicker and more accurate and real world ISO is maybe a stop better as well. If your happy with ISO400 on the 40D, the 50D will get you to ISO800 with similar results. The 7D however is a very nice improvement indeed. The AF is much quicker, follows targets accurately and gets you another stop in ISO. Shooting at ISO1600 gets very nice results.

Bottom line.. on paper and in lab/bench tests there is not a big difference between the 50D and 40D but in real world shooting the difference is noticeable. Same with the 7D. On paper or tested on a bench the differences seem minor, but out in the field the 7D is a total joy to shoot with and the improvements really stand out. If your not happy with the 40D upgrade away.


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May 07, 2010 10:58 |  #10

I have found the 40D high ISO performance to be not as good as the 50D (Irgulary shoot at 1600 ISO with the 50D no problem). I suspect the (and have seen but not tried for myself) the ISO performace of the 7D to be very good. It all comes down to cost. The 50D can be had for a bargain price right now. If you have the money get the 7D.


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May 07, 2010 11:34 |  #11

If the OP had issues with AF and ISO noise on the 40D, it comes down to three possibilities:

1. impossibly high standards

2. user error

3. a bad copy of the 40D

I own both the 40D and the 7D. The 7D makes life easier, but it's not a magic machine that makes issue 1 and 2 go away. The 40D is a perfectly fine camera, and I've used mine to take as good and sometimes better shots as 1D users. I think the OP needs to identify what the actual issues are, and work from there.


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May 07, 2010 15:14 |  #12

picturecrazy wrote in post #10138079 (external link)
The 40D is arguably one of Canon's cleanest high ISO 1.6 crop cams too.

High ISO to what? Just wondering. ISO 3200 on my 40D leaves a lot to be desired, even if the exposure is correct.




  
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May 07, 2010 15:38 |  #13

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If the OP had issues with AF and ISO noise on the 40D, it comes down to three possibilities:

1. impossibly high standards

2. user error

3. a bad copy of the 40D

I own both the 40D and the 7D. The 7D makes life easier, but it's not a magic machine that makes issue 1 and 2 go away. The 40D is a perfectly fine camera, and I've used mine to take as good and sometimes better shots as 1D users. I think the OP needs to identify what the actual issues are, and work from there.

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I also own the 5DII. 40D is a very nice body, it only lacks MFA, which made my 400 F5.6 much nicer on the 7D and 5DII. I'd try and ID the focus issure with the 40D.


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May 07, 2010 15:43 |  #14

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #10138448 (external link)
100% Agree...

I keep telling myself I need to replace my 40D but then I go out and shoot with it, pour over the resulting images and ask myself, "Exactly why do I need to replace this?"

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May 07, 2010 17:35 |  #15

SnapLocally.com wrote in post #10138937 (external link)
If the OP had issues with AF and ISO noise on the 40D, it comes down to three possibilities:

1. impossibly high standards

2. user error

3. a bad copy of the 40D

I own both the 40D and the 7D. The 7D makes life easier, but it's not a magic machine that makes issue 1 and 2 go away. The 40D is a perfectly fine camera, and I've used mine to take as good and sometimes better shots as 1D users. I think the OP needs to identify what the actual issues are, and work from there.

agreed. I have both and while the 7D is more modern and superior to the 40D, the 40D is no slouch itself. one thing the OP forgot to include is the type of lens he/she is using and what he/she is doing/shooting with it. the problems are quite vague and dont really tell much of the story, other than blaming the equipment.

personally i think sample photos and a more thorough description of the problem will determine the issue. agreed, the 7D wont magically make pictures better.


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