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24-105 F4L IS or 24-70 F2.8 L?

 
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May 10, 2010 03:06 |  #16

Lets get back on topic here...

I'd get the 24-70 mostly cause it opens to 2.8 but also cause you can strap that 85mm to your 50d to get a little extra reach out of it. the 24-70 is a versatile lens. If you don't have a flash, get that as well. (didn't see that in your gear list)


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May 10, 2010 11:00 |  #17

yeah i've got a flash. but was thinking of using it on the 5d..... using the 50d with the 85mm 1.8 for ambient light only

will that work?


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May 10, 2010 13:23 |  #18

A lot of things will work. I would go in with an idea of what you want to do (which it sounds like you do now) and adjust to the circumstances. No one can tell you what setup will work the best.


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May 10, 2010 15:03 |  #19

360° wrote in post #10150153 (external link)
so i could get away with using just 2 primes to shoot a wedding?

I shot medium format weddings for 15 years with two lenses, 80mm f/3.5 and 135mm f/5.6 Turned out many a beautiful wedding!




  
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May 10, 2010 22:11 |  #20

360° wrote in post #10154179 (external link)
yeah i've got a flash. but was thinking of using it on the 5d..... using the 50d with the 85mm 1.8 for ambient light only

will that work?

I would use the flash on the 50D. The 5D performs better with higher ISO.




  
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May 10, 2010 23:05 |  #21

RT McAllister wrote in post #10158150 (external link)
I would use the flash on the 50D. The 5D performs better with higher ISO.

yeah but how effective would a flash be at 85x1.6 mm?

and with it being 1.8 im sure it'll work just fine without a flash

but ill see


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May 11, 2010 00:36 |  #22

I have flash on both my cameras, doesn't matter with what lens. You need to be prepared for anything in weddings. Plus most of the times, the coordinator thinks it's romantic to kill all the damn lights during the couple's first dance, the AF assist from your speedlite is invaluable then.




  
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May 11, 2010 01:25 |  #23

viet wrote in post #10158820 (external link)
I have flash on both my cameras, doesn't matter with what lens. You need to be prepared for anything in weddings. Plus most of the times, the coordinator thinks it's romantic to kill all the damn lights during the couple's first dance, the AF assist from your speedlite is invaluable then.

Totally. I have a flash on each camera 100% of the time, plus I have a spare flash and camera not too far away.


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May 11, 2010 06:54 |  #24

ideally i would like to have that all as well.... and since im not getting paid to do this over the summer (mainly for experience) i've already spent quite a bit of money on a 5d mkII and the new lenses that im going to buy.

maybe ill rent another flash or use on of my getto vivitar manual flashes


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May 12, 2010 02:18 |  #25

360° wrote in post #10159810 (external link)
ideally i would like to have that all as well.... and since [B]im not getting paid[/B] to do this over the summer (mainly for experience) i've already spent quite a bit of money on a 5d mkII and the new lenses that im going to buy.

maybe ill rent another flash or use on of my getto vivitar manual flashes

This is usually how 2nd shooters work around here...I've found it more difficult to work with a 2nd shooter than alone. I'm with Tim, I always have a flash on both cameras. For the 5D I absolutely love the range of the 24-105, but I find 2.8 to be more useful and ended up using the 24-70 more.


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May 12, 2010 02:23 |  #26

a521 wrote in post #10165787 (external link)
This is usually how 2nd shooters work around here...I've found it more difficult to work with a 2nd shooter than alone. I'm with Tim, I always have a flash on both cameras. For the 5D I absolutely love the range of the 24-105, but I find 2.8 to be more useful and ended up using the 24-70 more.

You & Tim probably don't shoot very large weddings often then.




  
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May 12, 2010 02:40 |  #27

a521 wrote in post #10165787 (external link)
This is usually how 2nd shooters work around here...I've found it more difficult to work with a 2nd shooter than alone. I'm with Tim, I always have a flash on both cameras. For the 5D I absolutely love the range of the 24-105, but I find 2.8 to be more useful and ended up using the 24-70 more.

viet wrote in post #10165797 (external link)
You & Tim probably don't shoot very large weddings often then.

Viet, that's an odd comment, i'd be interested in your logic and how lens choice relates to the size of the weddings you photograph.

I'm a dual body shooter, I have two bodies on or near me at all times. A standard zoom is on one camera all day, and I swap my other lenses onto another body too. So I might have a 17-55 and 70-200, a 24-105 and a 10-22, or during my last ceremony I had a 24-70 on a 1D3, a 70-200 on a 7D, and a 10-22 on a 40D.

The weddings I photograph probably average around 80 guests, 6-8 in the wedding party including B&G, but have varied from 20 guests and no wedding party up to 400 guests and 20 in the wedding party.


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May 12, 2010 08:05 |  #28

360° wrote in post #10158438 (external link)
yeah but how effective would a flash be at 85x1.6 mm?

and with it being 1.8 im sure it'll work just fine without a flash

but ill see

I shoot 200mm shots with my flash ALL THE TIME (at events)

Why wouldn't it work? How much flash experience do you have?

I also shoot at f/1.4-2 with flash. There is no rule that says you can't use a wide aperture AND flash ;)




  
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May 12, 2010 08:22 |  #29

tim wrote in post #10165825 (external link)
Viet, that's an odd comment, i'd be interested in your logic and how lens choice relates to the size of the weddings you photograph.

I'm a dual body shooter, I have two bodies on or near me at all times. A standard zoom is on one camera all day, and I swap my other lenses onto another body too. So I might have a 17-55 and 70-200, a 24-105 and a 10-22, or during my last ceremony I had a 24-70 on a 1D3, a 70-200 on a 7D, and a 10-22 on a 40D.

The weddings I photograph probably average around 80 guests, 6-8 in the wedding party including B&G, but have varied from 20 guests and no wedding party up to 400 guests and 20 in the wedding party.

I should have made it clearer. My comment was directed toward the choice of having a 2nd shooter or not.

My events (weddings, corp. parties, rite-of-passage events...) in the last couple of months have been smaller, 100ish, but on an average, I'd say mostly at 300+ for weddings. A 2nd shooter was needed for every single one of them.

There's always a couple of large weddings that are 5~800 every year for us, if counting the Christmas parties and similar events, they range in the 1000s. One partilcular wedding I shot a few years back had more than 1000 guests, we were shooting in 2 teams of 1st & 2nd, total of 4 shooters.

I guess what I'm saying was, depending on the demographic, where I live, a 2nd shooter is a necessity, yours is not.

Now back to the lens selection programming, sorry for the interruption :)




  
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May 12, 2010 14:59 as a reply to  @ viet's post |  #30

I had the same dilemma about which lens to pick a while back, the 24-70 or the 24-105. I ended up going with the 24-105. My experience has been that it is a good lens in terms of IQ; however, I've just had a hard time getting past the maximum aperture of 4.0. Most of what I shoot with is primes, so I'm used to the f/1.2 and f/1.4 range.

That being said, for some reason I haven't been able to sell it either. There are several things that it is great for, such as family portrait time at weddings when you want a higher aperture anyways to keep everyone in focus, or at the reception when you have a couple lights set up and typically go up to around f/4.0 anyways to get more of the action in focus. Another great use is for general purpose walk around lens, like when I just want to bring one lens while we take the kids to the zoo or something. Or in the studio.

So in any of those scenarios it's a better choice because it has more focal range than the 24-70. Plus it has Image Stabilization. (Although this may change soon if the rumors are true about a 24-70 f/2.8 IS II)

For wedding photography though, I would recommend the 24-70 f/2.8 over the 24-105 f/4.0. That extra stop will help in low light, plus it will give you better isolation of your subject from the background.

Now, if it were my money, I would ditch both options and go with the 16-35 f/2.8 if you like zooms, and if you favor primes, the 35 f/1.4 L.

The 16-35 would complement your 50 and 85 nicely, and it would also make a great focal range on your 50D while you had the 85 on your 5D MkII. The 35L also works like a champ and would give you a great line up of focal ranges of 35, 50, and 85, all of which are pretty fast lenses.


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