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430 vs 580 ex ii's

 
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May 14, 2010 19:23 |  #1

Hey guys so im considering getting a flash, ive been told get this, then someone else told me this. Its hard to find comparison pictures, so let me tell you a little about my situation i recently got a 550d + getting 15-85 n 30mm 1.4, i shoot a lot indoor, and am looking at maybe selling some istock photos to make side money and make be a back up on events (weddings, birthdays ect.) I really dont think at this point i will be using an external flash so the slave feature not really needed. I will be using a diffuser box to soften the shadows though.
So off what I need im leaning on the 430 ex ii and a battery grip. But what do I know is it worth the extra 150bucks to get the 580ex? in my case.


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May 14, 2010 19:26 |  #2

is there really a HUGE diffrence in power, 430 vs 580


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May 14, 2010 19:30 |  #3

1 stop (twice the power).

The 580 can serve as a master and it has a PC port.

The 430 can swivel 90 degrees left and 180 degrees right. IIRC, the 580 rotates 180 both ways.


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May 14, 2010 19:33 |  #4

so you personally think its worth getting the 580 over a grip? or just in general getting it for the power


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May 15, 2010 01:50 |  #5

Both flash guns are really good - the 430 is a little smaller and lighter. The beam at 105mm on the 580 is a little tighter.

I love having a grip on my 5D2 - couldn't imagine not using one. So if grip plus 580 is not an option, go for the 430. But my guess is you'll end up with a 580 eventually, so may be better to take the pain now... ;o)


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May 15, 2010 02:15 |  #6

Get the 580 if you can afford it.

A flash is infinitely more useful than a grip.




  
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May 15, 2010 07:59 |  #7

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …eedlite-Flash-Review.aspx (external link)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …eedlite-Flash-Review.aspx (external link)




  
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May 15, 2010 08:08 |  #8

The 430ex will be more than enough for an average user.


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May 15, 2010 10:43 |  #9

I've got both 430 and 580
aside from wireless features
pro's for 430, less $ ($145)and lighter weight
pro's for 580, more output, faster recycle, 360 swivel, power setting down to 1/128 (1/64 on 430)
the 360 swivel can be more important than you think.


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May 15, 2010 10:51 |  #10

Correction: I got it wrong: I actually have the 580, got it mixed up, forgot that I traded up from a 430. The reason was that it accepts an external battery holder which makes a big difference. While I managed to get a cheap used Canon one those are now available from other manufacturers on ebay for under $40 (after all, they're nothing but a glorified battery holder). The spiral cable looks shorter than it really is.
Does wonders for recycling times. I took hundreds of pictures in rapid succession at a recent fundraiser, no hitch.
Also, I briefly owned the Canon grip (was a used package deal) but sold it quickly because the cheap aftermarket grip happened to fit my hand better. I first used aftermarked grips with my Nikon D200/D300 and found them to be just as functional as the high priced original ones.
A grip was something of a game changer for me, similar to the move to clipless pedals on my bike: you don't want to go back once you've tried it.




  
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May 15, 2010 11:02 |  #11

You can get a battery grip with two battries for $53.00 free shiping. Get the 580 also just save a few more weeks and your set.


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May 15, 2010 12:01 |  #12

In case you did not realize there are rebates on the flashes right now. The 580 from B and H can be had for 395 if that helps... I just picked it up since it was a tad cheaper and love it.




  
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May 15, 2010 12:17 as a reply to  @ Rebel_XT_Newbie's post |  #13

Get both!! Each has their own strong points and they work great in combination.


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May 15, 2010 13:06 |  #14

TampaFoto wrote in post #10185521 (external link)
You can get a battery grip with two battries for $53.00 free shiping. Get the 580 also just save a few more weeks and your set.

Ok what grip? lol, and i did reason i want a flash right now is b/c of the rebates 8), to be honest i dont c myself using the wifi, i do however c myself using the 360 and the extra power b/c ill be using a defuser...


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May 15, 2010 15:16 |  #15

I've got a 430ex II - the thing is, on a rebel you gain less from a 580EX than you'd do on a 1D or 1Ds - as far as I am aware the 580 supports more focal points.

But the thing is - if you really like flash, you can always get a 580 later and use the 430 as a slave - also a suggestion in the digital picture reviews.
Same for me - when I got the 430EX II I didn't want to spend more - also, I was on a 400D at the time, now a 5D MK II - so not a lot to gain - if I ever feel I need more I can get the 580 and use the 430 as a slave - but in actual fact I prefer not to use a flash, and with the 5D MK II I'll most likely use it less as the high ISO is better than on the 400D.


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