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Jun 09, 2010 11:38 |  #31

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Completely different? No. Both show a disturbing lack of ethics.

It's really amusing to see someone new pop up on a discussion board who decides to start judging who is 'ethical' and who is not.


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Jun 09, 2010 11:54 |  #32

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I don't get why people can't just wite "$1234 includes paypal, shipping, etc"

Not that effing difficult, people. Factor the paypal fee into your final item fee.

I think it's because sellers want to give the illusion that the item total is really less than it is. Dunno.


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Jun 09, 2010 11:58 |  #33

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I've been using Paypal ever since it first began back in 1999/2000. I have never once used Paypal's resolution system to to settle any transaction dispute as a result of a sale.

If someone stiffs you, there are other means of settling it.

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Jun 09, 2010 11:58 |  #34

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Completely different? No. Both show a disturbing lack of ethics.

My comment is around what the board moderatorship chooses to govern, it had nothing to do with the concept of individual ethics. The rules around copyright laws are closely monitored here due to the LAW, not around what individuals agree to or don't agree to with the services they utilize in their day to day lives.

This was more addressed to sidg, who seemed to imply there were some sort of legal ramifications if users break their user policy with Paypal, which simply isn't the case.

Too many people keep mixing legal issues with policy or agreement issues.


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Jun 09, 2010 12:09 |  #35

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My reply to sidg (and, IMO, his statement) had everything to do with the concept of individual ethics.

Good for you, my reply stands....

One topic will get you jail time, the other will just get you a closed account, ethics aside.


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Jun 09, 2010 12:13 |  #36

I don't think its that big of a problem if the seller has some great feedback on the forum.


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Jun 09, 2010 12:16 |  #37

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Is it just me or does it seem a bit ironic that a forum that spends so much time talking about how to keep people from using unauthorized pictures and avoiding "giving away" rights to an image will also have people encouraging stepping around the legal requirements of set fees and processes?
Is it ok if we "stick it to the man?" but not ok if it affects my pocket book?
Just wondering.

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Jun 09, 2010 12:32 |  #38

moose10101 wrote in post #10331347 (external link)
You are correct. For non-eBay transactions, PayPal gives "not received" protection to buyers, but not "not as described" protection.

I think you have no idea how Paypal works. I lost $600 on e-bay when a seller decided to go south. 17-40mm was never shipped so it's a clear cut case. Paypal tried to get the money from seller's account for about a month and when they could not get even a single penny case was closed with final sorry message.


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Jun 09, 2010 12:33 |  #39

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I think it's because sellers want to give the illusion that the item total is really less than it is. Dunno.

No, the item is what it is if you can save some fee I have to pay otherwise.


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Jun 09, 2010 12:34 |  #40

moose10101 wrote in post #10331761 (external link)
Right, that's pretty obvious.

In an ethics discussion? What's next, rules in a knife fight?

Again, you agreed to sidg's post where it ridiculed the leadership of this board because what they choose to enforce vs what they don't. That in particular, is most likely, a decision driven by law.

Anyways, again ethics is a personal choice regarding each individual on the board. You cannot, nor can anybody else, dictate the ethics of any one individual. You can only decide whether you want to buy or sell to someone based on their terms, nothing else. This debate really goes nowhere, it has come up many other times.

Keep in mind that paypal has other methods of sending payment that did not involve fees and also was not called "gift" or "personal".


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Jun 09, 2010 12:47 |  #41

moose10101 wrote in post #10331853 (external link)
I've re-read sidg's post, and I see no reference to the "leadership of this board". I only see references to the individuals who post here:

"a forum that spends so much time talking about how to keep people from using unauthorized pictures and avoiding "giving away" rights to an image will also have people encouraging stepping around the legal requirements of set fees and processes?"

If you interpret this as a comment about the board owners/moderators, that would explain our disagreement.

Perhaps, I could see both interpretations now. I never see too many members complaining about the image rights, and more input from moderators that will enforce the "Imaging Edit = OK" rules, etc, so my perspective was from that standpoint. :)


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Jun 09, 2010 12:52 |  #42

alpha_1976 wrote in post #10331784 (external link)
I think you have no idea how Paypal works. I lost $600 on e-bay when a seller decided to go south. 17-40mm was never shipped so it's a clear cut case. Paypal tried to get the money from seller's account for about a month and when they could not get even a single penny case was closed with final sorry message.

My experience + the experiences of my friends have been exactly like alpha said, regardless if it was on ebay or not. The only way we were able to get our money back was by calling our credit card companies and telling them we did not receive our merchandise. Had we been unfortunate enough to have used e-check, bank draft, or the like, we would've been screwed. I hope no one else has to find out the hard way, but again, don't believe in their protection policy whole heartedly!


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Jun 09, 2010 12:56 |  #43

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My experience + the experiences of my friends have been exactly like alpha said, regardless if it was on ebay or not. The only way we were able to get our money back was by calling our credit card companies and telling them we did not receive our merchandise. Had we been unfortunate enough to have used e-check, bank draft, or the like, we would've been screwed. I hope no one else has to find out the hard way, but again, don't believe in their protection policy whole heartedly!

Using credit cards is definitely the way to go if the seller doesn't have much of a track record. I will say that I've used PayPal balances/bank account for many deals here and have never had a problem. I really research a seller before I'm comfortable with anything of significant value.


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Jun 09, 2010 13:02 |  #44

moose10101 wrote in post #10332009 (external link)
alpha is correct for non-eBay purchases (covered by the "Buyer Complaint Policy"). You are incorrect for eBay purchases (covered by the "Buyer Protection Policy"); PayPal will reimburse the buyer if the seller cannot prove delivery, even if the seller doesn't have a penny in their account. There is a problem where PayPal's staff sometimes applies the wrong policy to a transaction, and denies reimbursement for an eBay purchase not received, but a phone call to PayPal usually corrects that problem pretty quickly.

Just read my message properly.


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Jun 09, 2010 13:06 |  #45

moose10101 wrote in post #10332047 (external link)
I read your message. You apparently didn't read mine. The fact that you weren't able to get the refund you were properly owed doesn't mean no one else can.

You are something I should say!

EDIT: Are you one of the guys I talk to when I make a call to paypal?


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