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Jun 16, 2010 12:17 |  #1

Not sure if I'm being ignorant but after looking at some reviews it looks like the 40D and the T2i are pretty equal as far as noise at high ISO goes. I'm looking to upgrade from my XS and I'm trying to figure out whether to go for the T2i or 40D. This might be a little while down the line but I'd like to make sure I have a lot of time to make the right decision. I pretty much shoot everything, but mainly sports, wildlife, and macro. I love my XS, serves me well for the price and is relatively fine for most cases, but I'm just annoyed with it's high ISO performance as far as noise goes. I usually try not to use anything over ISO 400 and ISO 1600 is just way to noisy for me. I'd like to be able to go up to ISO 800 or 1600 without too much noise. So far the pros of the T2i are small size, similar controls to the XS, video (not a big deal, but an added bonus), and 18 mp. Cons are price and low FPS (again not a huge deal, but still something to consider).
40D pros are higher FPS, pro-style controls so I will be used to them if I upgrade again in the future. Cons are size, no upgrade in pixel count (though 10 mp has been working fine on the XS), and new control system to get used to. Any thoughts?


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Jun 16, 2010 12:18 |  #2

If you don't need video, get the 40D. I want one as a backup body to my 50D.


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Jun 16, 2010 12:28 as a reply to  @ mikejet's post |  #3

If you're just looking for high iso improvement, you'll probably be disappointed with both. I've jumped from an XTI -> 40D -> 50D, never really noticed much ISO improvement (though pixel peepers might prove me wrong). If you want video, go with the T2i. If you want a camera that's easier to use/faster, get the 40D.




  
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Jun 16, 2010 12:39 |  #4

ingraman wrote in post #10373044 (external link)
If you're just looking for high iso improvement, you'll probably be disappointed with both. I've jumped from an XTI -> 40D -> 50D, never really noticed much ISO improvement (though pixel peepers might prove me wrong). If you want video, go with the T2i. If you want a camera that's easier to use/faster, get the 40D.

The 40D would be easier to use? To me it seems like a whole new complex control system along with a lot of added size and weight.


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Jun 16, 2010 13:00 as a reply to  @ hsmoscout's post |  #5

40D/50D is easy to use because of the wheel and thumbstick thingy. I love it.


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Jun 16, 2010 13:01 |  #6

The control system is actually simpler but if you're used to the Rebel controls then it will take a little getting used to.

The added size and weight is considered a build advantage to most but again, some prefer the smaller lighter Rebel.

If you feel more comfortable with a Rebel then it seems you've made up your mind to go to the T2i. Enjoy!

(Personally my 1D is my favorite of my 3 with the 40D a close second. The T1i is still good for a light compact camera that takes much better shots than a P&S but I'd rather have the others unless I need to take video.)


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Jun 16, 2010 13:10 |  #7

hpulley wrote in post #10373266 (external link)
The control system is actually simpler but if you're used to the Rebel controls then it will take a little getting used to.

The added size and weight is considered a build advantage to most but again, some prefer the smaller lighter Rebel.

If you feel more comfortable with a Rebel then it seems you've made up your mind to go to the T2i. Enjoy!

(Personally my 1D is my favorite of my 3 with the 40D a close second. The T1i is still good for a light compact camera that takes much better shots than a P&S but I'd rather have the others unless I need to take video.)

Do you see a big difference in noise between the T1i and 40D?


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Jun 16, 2010 13:11 |  #8

hsmoscout wrote in post #10372951 (external link)
Not sure if I'm being ignorant but after looking at some reviews it looks like the 40D and the T2i are pretty equal as far as noise at high ISO goes. I'm looking to upgrade from my XS and I'm trying to figure out whether to go for the T2i or 40D. This might be a little while down the line but I'd like to make sure I have a lot of time to make the right decision. I pretty much shoot everything, but mainly sports, wildlife, and macro. I love my XS, serves me well for the price and is relatively fine for most cases, but I'm just annoyed with it's high ISO performance as far as noise goes. I usually try not to use anything over ISO 400 and ISO 1600 is just way to noisy for me. I'd like to be able to go up to ISO 800 or 1600 without too much noise. So far the pros of the T2i are small size, similar controls to the XS, video (not a big deal, but an added bonus), and 18 mp. Cons are price and low FPS (again not a huge deal, but still something to consider).
40D pros are higher FPS, pro-style controls so I will be used to them if I upgrade again in the future. Cons are size, no upgrade in pixel count (though 10 mp has been working fine on the XS), and new control system to get used to. Any thoughts?

if digital noise is your primary concern take a look at www.dxomark.com (external link) and compare the camera you have against the ones you are contemplating buying - you may in for a surprise !

here's a hint even if you don't look - start saving for the 5D !




  
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Jun 16, 2010 13:25 |  #9

hsmoscout wrote in post #10373315 (external link)
Do you see a big difference in noise between the T1i and 40D?

The noise is very different. At 800 and 1600 ISO I find I prefer the noise and final image quality of the 40D. For 3200 ISO (fake on the 40D, maybe fake on the T1i too) it is a bit of a wash and the 40D doesn't have 6400 or 12800 ISO though on the T1i I don't find those ISO levels very useful anyways as they're quite noisy and need a lost of post processing to smooth them out into acceptable images; so you need to use Raw or you need to turn on slow Strong noise reduction if you're shooting to JPEG, otherwise the resulting images have too much noise for me. The T1i unfortunately seems to be a noisy one in the Rebel line, it is very clean at 100 and 200 ISO but has a fine noise afterward which can be difficult to remove; maybe it doesn't bother everyone but on some prints from the T1i I have in my office here I can see the noise so I'm not just talking about 100% pixel peeping, on an 8.5x11" print it is there to be seen. The bigger pixels of the 40D and my old 1D are actually nicer for noise in the background in my opinion, less of it to begin with and easier to remove.


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Jun 16, 2010 13:48 |  #10

Don't take what I said too far, the T1i can take some beautiful images too but at high ISO I find the out of focus/underexposed background areas can have noise which I find objectionable and difficult to remove. Perhaps I need better NR software than DPP, it seems there are others which do a much better job. But with my 1D for example I don't need more than DPP, I can get wonderfully smooth backgrounds at 800 and 1600 ISO with just light NR in DPP.

With a properly exposed and chosen scene, the T1i can deliver sharp results like this:
http://www.flickr.com/​photos/hpulley/4654255​477/ (external link)

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But you have to be careful as I said.

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Jun 16, 2010 15:12 |  #11

hsmoscout wrote in post #10373127 (external link)
The 40D would be easier to use? To me it seems like a whole new complex control system along with a lot of added size and weight.

Controls are actually easier on an XXD. More physical buttons = less flipping through LCD menus or juggling acts (holding one button and scrolling another, pain on my XTI). Probably will take you 5 minutes to get used to it.




  
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Jun 16, 2010 16:23 |  #12

Thanks for the input. If there were no other factors considered, which handles ISO better, between the T2i and 40D? I'd like to try and find that out first and then consider the other variables from there.


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Jun 16, 2010 16:30 |  #13

As I said, on my copies at least I prefer the 40D up to 1600 ISO, the T1i is better at 3200 and up. The T2i is supposed to be better yet but I don't have one (yet?).


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Jun 16, 2010 17:47 |  #14

T2i should be better at handling noise than the 40D, although in most situations, it would probably be difficult to notice a huge difference.


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Jun 16, 2010 21:03 |  #15

If you're not gonna be doing any video get the 40D.

You've mentioned you're going to be doing sports and wildlife, the extra 3 FPS, better ergonomics, higher buffer, and better auto focus. The 40D has 9 cross points were as the T2i is only the center. Also, the file size is quite big on the T2i which is going to take up quite a lot of space.


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