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Jun 30, 2010 06:10 |  #2911

If I switched I would miss the primes. I owned two copies 35mm f/2, 85mm f/1.8, and 85mm f/1.4 but sold them in a week. Reasons ranging from unattractive bokeh, not sharp open wide, and loud bang focusing :). Bought 35mm f/1.8 DX and like it so far. The Sigma 50mm is probably the best 50mm for Nikon IMHO.

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anyone who swtiched over to nikon miss the canon primes? it's been tempting to move from the 5d classic to the d700 with their zooms (i'll be starting with the 24-70mm), but canon 35L, 85L, and 135L are holding me back. but with the higher ISO handling capabilities matched with the F2.8, it seems like the fast primes won't be missed too much. is this what can be expected?


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Jun 30, 2010 06:14 |  #2912

Apparently the current Nikon Rebates expires this Sat, but will probably be extended again (external link).

I've heard it said quite a few times that Nikons prime lineup isn't so good. I don't mind, I like zooms, though I tend to have one standard prime in my bag.


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Jun 30, 2010 09:06 |  #2913

YseanY wrote in post #10452112 (external link)
anyone who swtiched over to nikon miss the canon primes? it's been tempting to move from the 5d classic to the d700 with their zooms (i'll be starting with the 24-70mm), but canon 35L, 85L, and 135L are holding me back. but with the higher ISO handling capabilities matched with the F2.8, it seems like the fast primes won't be missed too much. is this what can be expected?

Yes, Nikon is lacking in the short to mid tele primes.
I think the big 2 would be the 35L and 135L. They have a 24 1.4 now, and the 85 1.4D, while not as good as the 85L, is a reasonable approximation.

If you rely on these primes for everything, then yes, it makes sense to stick with Canon.

I owned the 24L, 35L, 50L, 85L, 100L, 135L, 200L f2 IS, 300L f4 over the course of my days with Canon. When I switched I had the 24L, 50L, 100L, and 200L f2 IS. I never really used the 24L, and the 50L was a love/hate relationship so switching was not a problem for me. I didn't bother with a 24 1.4, have the Sigma 50, 105VR Macro, and the 200VR, so I am hardly missing anything.




  
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Jun 30, 2010 12:00 |  #2914

I'm definitely not married to the primes, but it is definitely something good to have during those low light situations! and the 35L, for me at least, is also a stellar walk around lens. i guess i can pick up a 50mm 1.4 and wait for the rumored nikon 35mm 1.4.

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I had the 24 1.4, 50 1.4, 85 1.2, and the 135 2.0.

I think that canon has a much better assortment of primes than Nikon, but I did pick up the 50 1.4G for my D700, and my copy it is tack sharp at 1.4, focuses faster than the Canon 1.4, and has nicer bokeh IMO. I am going to pick up the 85 1.4. Would like to rent and try Nikons 35's at some point, but would love to see more of a quality selection of primes from Nikon in the future. Canon definitely has them here. Although, I really do believe that the Canon 24 1.4 and 85 1.2 are WAY overpriced.

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If I switched I would miss the primes. I owned two copies 35mm f/2, 85mm f/1.8, and 85mm f/1.4 but sold them in a week. Reasons ranging from unattractive bokeh, not sharp open wide, and loud bang focusing :). Bought 35mm f/1.8 DX and like it so far. The Sigma 50mm is probably the best 50mm for Nikon IMHO.

tim wrote in post #10452525 (external link)
I've heard it said quite a few times that Nikons prime lineup isn't so good. I don't mind, I like zooms, though I tend to have one standard prime in my bag.

nicksan wrote in post #10453147 (external link)
Yes, Nikon is lacking in the short to mid tele primes.
I think the big 2 would be the 35L and 135L. They have a 24 1.4 now, and the 85 1.4D, while not as good as the 85L, is a reasonable approximation.

If you rely on these primes for everything, then yes, it makes sense to stick with Canon.

I owned the 24L, 35L, 50L, 85L, 100L, 135L, 200L f2 IS, 300L f4 over the course of my days with Canon. When I switched I had the 24L, 50L, 100L, and 200L f2 IS. I never really used the 24L, and the 50L was a love/hate relationship so switching was not a problem for me. I didn't bother with a 24 1.4, have the Sigma 50, 105VR Macro, and the 200VR, so I am hardly missing anything.




  
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Jun 30, 2010 12:20 |  #2915

Padawan Dad wrote in post #10452496 (external link)
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Although, I really do believe that the Canon 24 1.4 and 85 1.2 are WAY overpriced.

Have you seen the price on the Nikon 24/1.4?

I agree that the 85/1.2 is very aggressively priced. It is the best lens in its class (85/1.2-1.4), though...




  
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Jun 30, 2010 14:31 |  #2916

How can you justify saying something is over priced? I really don't get it.

That's what they want to charge, then so be it. Who are we to say "that's over priced"

If you think the price is to high, don't buy it.


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Jun 30, 2010 14:40 as a reply to  @ The Mack's post |  #2917

well, I think it could legitimately be called overpriced for two reasons.

1. it's 2199.9 compared to canon's L at $1699.
2. The IQ isn't any more impressive than the sigma 24 1.8 which is a very good lens at 1/4th the price.

It's not really unreasonable to call something overpriced, if it costs more than it's competition and isn't spectacular.

I really considered this lens. So I'm not bashing it because of it's price alone. I just think that it was extremely disappointing myself. So in view of all that, I agree, I think it's overpriced.


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Jun 30, 2010 14:41 as a reply to  @ Permagrin's post |  #2918

and again, I'm not a fanboy of any camp. So I won't praise something unless I think it's worth praise. And I'm TOTALLY okay with saying something is an epic fail, if I think it is. :lol::lol::lol:


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Jun 30, 2010 14:44 as a reply to  @ Permagrin's post |  #2919

oh lol. I see Padawan Dad was talking about the canon. I think that brings up a good point too. Where I think that the nikon is overpriced, I think the canon 24 is pretty reasonable. I'd loved to own that one.:lol::lol:


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Jun 30, 2010 14:48 |  #2920

I'm with you on Canon 24L I or II. Reasonably priced. The Nikon's is darn overpriced for sure :).

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oh lol. I see Padawan Dad was talking about the canon. I think that brings up a good point too. Where I think that the nikon is overpriced, I think the canon 24 is pretty reasonable. I'd loved to own that one.:lol::lol:


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Jun 30, 2010 16:44 |  #2921

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Have you seen the price on the Nikon 24/1.4?

I agree that the 85/1.2 is very aggressively priced. It is the best lens in its class (85/1.2-1.4), though...

Yeah, wow! I missed that one.


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Jun 30, 2010 16:59 as a reply to  @ post 10455608 |  #2922

If the 5D2 had better af & less noise, then it, the 24 1.4II and the 50 1.2 would be what I would love to have as a kit. If the 50 1.2 focused properly.

:lol: Isn't that funny...sad that sentence was so laced with "if's". It's my dream kit.


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Jun 30, 2010 17:05 |  #2923

Permagrin wrote in post #10454884 (external link)
oh lol. I see Padawan Dad was talking about the canon. I think that brings up a good point too. Where I think that the nikon is overpriced, I think the canon 24 is pretty reasonable. I'd loved to own that one.:lol::lol:

I certainly agree that Nikon has it's $$$ lenses as well (I'm relatively new to Nikon, so give me a little time to familiarize myself with all the goodies out there :oops: )

I pretty much owned, at one time or another, every Canon prime lens available, and when I take the 50 1.4, and the 85 1.8 and compare them to their "L" brothers, I can see a difference in color rendition (Giving "L" the upper hand,) and obviously the 85 L is faster at 1.2; but I just ask myself, are they really that much better to demand the price they ask? I really think that high price on the L primes is due to lack of demand, and low run manufacturing run costs... I could be wrong. JMHO.


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Jun 30, 2010 17:08 |  #2924

Permagrin wrote in post #10455628 (external link)
If the 5D2 had better af & less noise, then it, the 24 1.4II and the 50 1.2 would be what I would love to have as a kit. If the 50 1.2 focused properly.

:lol: Isn't that funny...sad that sentence was so laced with "if's". It's my dream kit.

I think I would have stayed 100% with Canon IF the 5D II had the AF engine of the D700. I had the 24 1.4 II and it is a NICE lens (I had crop bodies when I bought it.) When I got a 5D II it felt too wide for my taste. I would much prefer a 35mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.2 combo.


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Jun 30, 2010 17:10 as a reply to  @ Padawan Dad's post |  #2925

Bill, like I hope for everyone else here, I hope you will enjoy your kit and find it meets your needs.

I wasn't picking on you. Just commentating on the nikon 24.

One of my favorite wedding photogs all time is Jeff Ascough. He shoots with canon primes solely. My other favorite of all time is Aleksandras Babicus (sp?) and he shoots with nikon.

What I've discovered is that some equipment just sings for one person while another finds it insufficient. Gear matters so little, ultimately. So I don't really argue about it.


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