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Jul 06, 2010 19:54 |  #16

As the owner of both Mac and PC, that PC is going to give you better performance for sure.


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Jul 07, 2010 13:19 |  #17

I decided to go against the "laptop" all together and just replace my desktop. I ended up purchasing a Dell XPS 8100. Intel Core i7 860, 6gb RAM, 1Tb HD, Bluray burner, Nvidia G310 for $999 That should last me a long time. Thanks everyone for their input, it was very knowledgeable.


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Jul 07, 2010 13:35 |  #18

theshape wrote in post #10493584 (external link)
I decided to go against the "laptop" all together and just replace my desktop. I ended up purchasing a Dell XPS 8100. Intel Core i7 860, 6gb RAM, 1Tb HD, Bluray burner, Nvidia G310 for $999 That should last me a long time. Thanks everyone for their input, it was very knowledgeable.

Awesome setup!

Try doing that with Apple hardware for under $1K......


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Jul 07, 2010 13:57 |  #19

enrigonz wrote in post #10493690 (external link)
Awesome setup!

Try doing that with Apple hardware for under $1K......

Apple chooses to not attempt to compete in the market segment of super-cheap computers where there is zero profit margin (Dell gets those prices down by getting money from the vendors of all the garbage that comes pre-loaded on the system). This is where much of the "Macs are expensive" misconception comes from.

When I purchased my MacBook, I spec'd out an identical Dell XPS1300. Less than 10% price difference.

Also, corners have to be cut somewhere in Dell's factory to get prices down. The build quality on the $600 Dell I bought for my wife is nowhere near as good as on my MacBook which is 2 years older.




  
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Jul 07, 2010 14:19 |  #20

dakboy wrote in post #10493817 (external link)
Apple chooses to not attempt to compete in the market segment of super-cheap computers where there is zero profit margin (Dell gets those prices down by getting money from the vendors of all the garbage that comes pre-loaded on the system). This is where much of the "Macs are expensive" misconception comes from.

When I purchased my MacBook, I spec'd out an identical Dell XPS1300. Less than 10% price difference.

Also, corners have to be cut somewhere in Dell's factory to get prices down. The build quality on the $600 Dell I bought for my wife is nowhere near as good as on my MacBook which is 2 years older.

But Apple also doesn't upgrade their offerings as often. If you would wait and compare prices 6 months from now, that MBP would be the same price as a 15" i7 notebook.


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Jul 07, 2010 14:21 |  #21

dakboy wrote in post #10493817 (external link)
Apple chooses to not attempt to compete in the market segment of super-cheap computers where there is zero profit margin (Dell gets those prices down by getting money from the vendors of all the garbage that comes pre-loaded on the system). This is where much of the "Macs are expensive" misconception comes from.

When I purchased my MacBook, I spec'd out an identical Dell XPS1300. Less than 10% price difference.

Also, corners have to be cut somewhere in Dell's factory to get prices down. The build quality on the $600 Dell I bought for my wife is nowhere near as good as on my MacBook which is 2 years older.

I wouldn't consider the Dell he bought to "super-cheap" and I can certainly understand Apple's position to not enter the market in the "super-cheap" category. But how can you in one sentence talk about comparing like subjects and then turn around and compare two dissimilar products?


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Jul 07, 2010 14:30 |  #22

The Dell has more horsepower, but I prefer the reliability of OSX. You could get a MBP with an i5 as well.


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Jul 07, 2010 14:59 |  #23

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The Dell has more horsepower, but I prefer the reliability of OSX. You could get a MBP with an i5 as well.

Or he could attempt to put OS X on the Dell. It would quite possible be a pain, but it may be worth it.


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Jul 07, 2010 15:06 |  #24

The processor and memory in the Dell you have listed below is far superior. As others have stated, the I5 much better than the Core2 Duos. Also, if you are running photoshop or a memory hungry app, you will benefit from 6gbs of memory
What is the video card in the Mac?


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Jul 07, 2010 15:58 |  #25

Well no point in advising laptops now guys he's bought a desktop. I personally think he did the right thing, if you're looking for power on a budget then it's quite clear where to go.

I'm not looking forward to the day when I can decide between a powerful Mac and powerful PC... I'm honestly on the fence and I think I'll have buyers remorse either way.




  
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Jul 07, 2010 18:59 |  #26

Village_Idiot wrote in post #10493954 (external link)
But Apple also doesn't upgrade their offerings as often. If you would wait and compare prices 6 months from now, that MBP would be the same price as a 15" i7 notebook.

That part I don't like. The best time to get a high-value purchase of new (not refurb) Mac hardware is the day an update is released. The "no changes in 9 months but we won't drop the price even though newer, better, cheaper parts come out" is a sore point for a lot of Apple owners.




  
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Jul 07, 2010 19:06 |  #27

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I wouldn't consider the Dell he bought to "super-cheap" and I can certainly understand Apple's position to not enter the market in the "super-cheap" category. But how can you in one sentence talk about comparing like subjects and then turn around and compare two dissimilar products?

I wasn't. I was pointing out that A) Apple chooses not to compete in that space and B) when you opt to pay less for a computer, there are very noticeable tradeoffs. I would much rather pay more for a higher-quality build (regardless of brand).




  
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Jul 07, 2010 22:30 |  #28

dakboy wrote in post #10495597 (external link)
I wasn't. I was pointing out that A) Apple chooses not to compete in that space and B) when you opt to pay less for a computer, there are very noticeable tradeoffs. I would much rather pay more for a higher-quality build (regardless of brand).

Apple, Dell or who ever, use practically the same stuff in their system components, not sure where you get the idea of Apple using quality build and it being better than any other Win PC counterpart but I've opened and exchanged parts in iMacs, Mac Pros, Mac Minis, etc, etc and there's nothing in these machines I could not do for less and build myself. One thing I must admit is that Apples are built very well and perhaps their QC is much better than most other PC manufacturers.

My iMac is 4 years old and still runs great, very usable but not for the heavy CPU hungry stuff just like any other PC would be after 4 years. For the price of an Apple you can buy 2 awesome Windows/Linux machines and be very happy. Any Apple you buy today is way over price no matter how you see it, you can try justifying it by saying it has a better built or parts but at the end money talks and bullcrap walks.... sorry!


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Jul 08, 2010 01:12 |  #29

enrigonz wrote in post #10496553 (external link)
Apple, Dell or who ever, use practically the same stuff in their system components, not sure where you get the idea of Apple using quality build and it being better than any other Win PC counterpart but I've opened and exchanged parts in iMacs, Mac Pros, Mac Minis, etc, etc and there's nothing in these machines I could not do for less and build myself. One thing I must admit is that Apples are built very well and perhaps their QC is much better than most other PC manufacturers.

My iMac is 4 years old and still runs great, very usable but not for the heavy CPU hungry stuff just like any other PC would be after 4 years. For the price of an Apple you can buy 2 awesome Windows/Linux machines and be very happy. Any Apple you buy today is way over price no matter how you see it, you can try justifying it by saying it has a better built or parts but at the end money talks and bullcrap walks.... sorry!

Sorry, that just is not the case. What parts exactly are you speaking of? HDD & RAM? Those have been interchangeable for a while now. Pretty much everything else is custom, permanently attached or hazardous to interchange with a PC (like CPU in Mac Pro's). Even parts from HP & Dell computers are often not interchangeable; increasing as the computers get smaller or more stylized. Then, add to the array of different chipsets, CPU pin-outs and so on... This is called a fallacy (generalization). Example: You say, "Mac's use the same parts as PC's, therefore, Mac's are PC's."

As far as building a faster machine, sure, no one's arguing that. However, you can put $150,000 in a Ford Focus but that will not make it a Ferrari 458 Italia. I'm not saying a Mac is a Ferrari, just that if you do not care about the things that actually make a Mac a Mac then your arguments are just fallacy (just because something is cheaper does not make it necessarily better). I think you should do some investigating, particularly on All-In-One computers, premium PC's (HP ENVY & Alienware), and workstation's. I think you would be surprised that Apple's really are not that much more expensive.




  
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Jul 08, 2010 07:12 |  #30

dakboy wrote in post #10495597 (external link)
I wasn't. I was pointing out that A) Apple chooses not to compete in that space and B) when you opt to pay less for a computer, there are very noticeable tradeoffs. I would much rather pay more for a higher-quality build (regardless of brand).

Actually you did! ;)

dakboy wrote in post #10493817 (external link)
When I purchased my MacBook, I spec'd out an identical Dell XPS1300. Less than 10% price difference.

So here you say that a comparable Dell was about 10% less than the MAC. But then:

Also, corners have to be cut somewhere in Dell's factory to get prices down. The build quality on the $600 Dell I bought for my wife is nowhere near as good as on my MacBook which is 2 years older.

So now you are comparing a cheaper Dell to the build quality of your more expensive MAC.

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As far as building a faster machine, sure, no one's arguing that. However, you can put $150,000 in a Ford Focus but that will not make it a Ferrari 458 Italia. I'm not saying a Mac is a Ferrari, just that if you do not care about the things that actually make a Mac a Mac then your arguments are just fallacy (just because something is cheaper does not make it necessarily better). I think you should do some investigating, particularly on All-In-One computers, premium PC's (HP ENVY & Alienware), and workstation's. I think you would be surprised that Apple's really are not that much more expensive.

But at least you would be the only person with a $150,000 Ford Focus. :lol: I mean how many Ferrari 458s are around? I bet more than one. ;) Not to mention that most Ferrari's sit in some multi-million dollar garage. What good is that!? The guy that built the Focus is driving his, I guarantee it!!! ;)


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