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Target + Facebook = making it easy to print copyrighted images

 
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Jul 14, 2010 21:52 |  #16

Cliff Nordman wrote in post #10532930 (external link)
What size prints are people making from 720-pixel images on Facebook?

Agreed, and a rather compressed 720 pixel image. The best you'll get is a 120 ppi 4x6 print or a 103 ppi 5x7 print. And that's even if the image is 720 pixels wide, which a lot are not.




  
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Jul 15, 2010 14:24 |  #17

Actually, it can be much more open-ended than what you might think...


This was sent to me in an email from "The Right Way to Travel" site

Here’s the statement straight from Facebook’s website:

“You grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable,
royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on
or in connection with Facebook ("IP License"). This IP License ends
when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content
has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.”

Translation: If you post your photos on Facebook, you give Facebook
the rights to those photos. *They can use them however they want,
whenever they want, anywhere in the world they want… even if you
delete your account. *They can even sell them without your knowledge
and there’s nothing you can do about it. *Photos posted on Facebook
are now Facebook property. *Period.



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Jul 15, 2010 14:52 as a reply to  @ Keltab's post |  #18

*Photos posted on Facebook
are now Facebook property. *Period.

It's a usage license, not ownership, and that introduces a couple of limitations. You still own the copyright, which means Facebook cannot create a derivative work from your image without your permission. "Derivative work" would include removing your watermark.

They can't ever claim the work is theirs. Their sub-license can't be any more expansive than their original license--meaning the sub-licensee must also get your permission to create derivative work.


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Jul 15, 2010 15:51 |  #19

Yes, you're just giving facebook the right to have them displayed on pages of their website, logical.




  
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Jul 15, 2010 16:00 |  #20

Pretty sure both Zenfolio and PBase have similar language in their TOS agreements...

It's to keep you from suing them for you putting your images on their service.
(And now I need to go lay down...)


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Jul 15, 2010 16:08 |  #21

I prefer to think you guys are right - that email messed with me a bit!
Sorry to stoke any frustration unnecessarily. Thanks for the interpretations :)



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Jul 15, 2010 19:25 |  #22

Keltab wrote in post #10542758 (external link)
Actually, it can be much more open-ended than what you might think...


This was sent to me in an email from "The Right Way to Travel" site

Here’s the statement straight from Facebook’s website:

“You grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable,
royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on
or in connection with Facebook ("IP License"). This IP License ends
when you delete your IP content or your account
unless your content
has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.”

Translation: If you post your photos on Facebook, you give Facebook
the rights to those photos. *They can use them however they want,
whenever they want, anywhere in the world they want… even if you
delete your account. *They can even sell them without your knowledge
and there’s nothing you can do about it. *Photos posted on Facebook
are now Facebook property. *Period.

a very selective translation. let me make it easier for you by accentuating the key part...


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Jul 15, 2010 21:17 |  #23

Wal-Mart Photo lab has implemented Facebook connect and you can print straight from your friends profiles. (Doesn't look like it accesses pages, but whose to stop someone from saving your images and creating a private album on their profile so they can print it?)


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Jul 16, 2010 05:48 |  #24

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Wal-Mart Photo lab has implemented Facebook connect and you can print straight from your friends profiles. (Doesn't look like it accesses pages, but whose to stop someone from saving your images and creating a private album on their profile so they can print it?)

I use photographic business cards. I have them out in several businesses for the taking where I have my work on display. There's really nothing preventing a client whose picture is on one of my cards from running to these various businesses, scarfing up my cards, and passing those out to their friends instead of buying more wallet photos.

And that prospect doesn't bother me.


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Jul 16, 2010 08:52 |  #25

RDKirk wrote in post #10546784 (external link)
I use photographic business cards. I have them out in several businesses for the taking where I have my work on display. There's really nothing preventing a client whose picture is on one of my cards from running to these various businesses, scarfing up my cards, and passing those out to their friends instead of buying more wallet photos.

And that prospect doesn't bother me.

That's good marketing. The friends are then guaranteed to see your name over and over.

Because of this digital age we live in, I'm starting to move from being overly cautious about theft to looking at it more as free marketing for me. By only posting low res pics that are watermarked, the chance of them being printed is lowered. However, if somebody does print one with my logo, others will see my business name on it which just helps to get my brand out there more. Maybe it's more of a win than people think?


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Jul 16, 2010 09:01 |  #26

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That's good marketing. The friends are then guaranteed to see your name over and over.

Because of this digital age we live in, I'm starting to move from being overly cautious about theft to looking at it more as free marketing for me. By only posting low res pics that are watermarked, the chance of them being printed is lowered. However, if somebody does print one with my logo, others will see my business name on it which just helps to get my brand out there more. Maybe it's more of a win than people think?

Just very recently, I've been asking my high school seniors to "Like" my fan page. Then I post artfully watermarked images of them on my Facebook fan page and "tagging" them--which alerts them and all their friends to look at my fan page.

The seniors have been merely taking the image--with the watermark visible--as their new avatars. I suspect that if they ever click-print them through Target or Walmart, the watermark will still be there. Yes, the seniors could pull the image into an editor, remove the watermark, and then print it. But if they're not bothering to remove the watermark for their avatars, I suspect they won't go to that trouble just to make some quick prints...as long as my watermark isn't too obstructive to seeing the image.

I should not call it a "watermark" in the way I use it. It's really just branding the image--the same thing blue jean manufacturers do.


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Jul 16, 2010 11:51 |  #27

RDKirk wrote in post #10546784 (external link)
I use photographic business cards. I have them out in several businesses for the taking where I have my work on display. There's really nothing preventing a client whose picture is on one of my cards from running to these various businesses, scarfing up my cards, and passing those out to their friends instead of buying more wallet photos.

And that prospect doesn't bother me.

If a client makes a nice purchase, I sometimes toss in 48 rep cards *keep a couple for myself for displaying in the studio, if a model release was signed* and the back of the rep cards have my contact info. : )




  
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Jul 18, 2010 20:38 |  #28

Well looks like the solution is to block the corresponding application. Visit the page and click on "Block Application"
Walmart: http://www.facebook.co​m …ation.php?id=18​1585006811 (external link)
Target: http://www.facebook.co​m …ation.php?id=35​1684036263 (external link)
Walgreens: http://www.facebook.co​m …cation.php?id=5​6440425769 (external link)
Snapfish: http://www.facebook.co​m …cation.php?id=9​3579753250 (external link)


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Jul 18, 2010 21:25 |  #29

Done X 4 .. Thanks!


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Jul 19, 2010 08:16 |  #30

Thanks jacuff! My only question is that even if you block the apps from your side, won't the clients you tag still be able to run the apps from their side? What's to stop them from using the apps? Or can they not print pictures that are only linked to them?


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