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Jul 16, 2010 02:58 |  #1

I took this picture a while back, and I liked it, but there were LOTS of things wrong with it. I know some people are ruthless, and however much they like a shot, if it is flawed they delete it, but I didn't. I tried a rescue.

So, apart from some streaks in the beak which I am aware of, does this work?

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Jul 16, 2010 03:14 |  #2

"does this work?" No.......
Just looks like personal photography as I have recently heard someone put it.




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Jul 16, 2010 03:29 as a reply to  @ BigAlz1's post |  #3

If it means something to you then keep it, no amount of PPing will retrieve a image that as you say is flawed, for me it doesnt work, maybe cloning out the boards of the path on the right may help :)


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Jul 16, 2010 11:31 |  #4

I think the composition of this shot is actually pretty nice but to me it looks way over-processed and -way- too contrasty. I haven't seen the original of course but personally I'd back off on the contrast A LOT and see how it looks from there.

BTW...personally I don't think there is ANYTHING wrong with trying to "save a shot". There are certainly folks around here who seem to feel if you have to spend more than 5 minutes working on an image that it's just not worth keeping...I'm -NOT- one of them. No...sometimes you just can't do anything with a shot and no, not all shots are worth trying to save (goodness knows I delete A LOT of shots I take) but sometimes you can take an image that doesn't stand well as the way it was taken and do something artistic with it. I'm also FIRMLY of the belief that it's not about what you take with the camera, it's about what get's printed at the end. If I can spend only 2 or 3 minutes working on a given shot, great...if it takes me 6 or 8 hours to turn out something that I (or a potential client) -really- like, then that's what it takes. If you can produce a print that really makes people go "Wow!", then it doesn't matter what camera or lens you used and it doesn't matter how long it took to create that image...the image is still a success. Remember, Da Vinci didn't paint the Mona Lisa in a single day...that one took him -years-. There's no time limit on how long it takes to create great art :-).

Do what you need to do to create an image that you are happy with.

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Jul 16, 2010 11:47 as a reply to  @ Walczak Photo's post |  #5

I kind of like it...you could maybe burn the hot areas on the swan to reduce glare? Or underexpose it a tad?


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Jul 16, 2010 12:09 |  #6

I'm with Gail. If it weren't for the overdone B&W conversion I'd really like this shot. I'd like to see a toned down version in B&W.


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Jul 16, 2010 12:11 |  #7

Walczak Photo wrote in post #10548176 (external link)
I think the composition of this shot is actually pretty nice but to me it looks way over-processed and -way- too contrasty. I haven't seen the original of course but personally I'd back off on the contrast A LOT and see how it looks from there.
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The original...

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Jul 16, 2010 16:59 |  #8

Bend The Light wrote in post #10548420 (external link)
The original...

QUOTED IMAGE

ok...wow...that's just weird! LOL! At first glance it almost looks like a poorly done comp but as you look towards the bottom of the swan where the feet meet the ground, it looks fine. On camera flash maybe? I don't know if you have the RAW file or not but even if you don't you can try this on a jpg...take the image in to Adobe Camera RAW and there's a slider there for recovering highlights. Also you can try using the "Shadow & Highlights" filter in Photoshop to bring the face and the hand down a bit.

I actually do kind of like this shot...there's a very strong sense of irony here. Aside from the lighting issue of course, ya got that whole sense of "why doesn't this go together" with the swan and the train tracks. I honestly think I'd play with this shot a bit...if nothing else it definitely has a good degree of interest for the viewer.

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Jul 16, 2010 17:09 |  #9

Walczak Photo wrote in post #10550048 (external link)
ok...wow...that's just weird! LOL! At first glance it almost looks like a poorly done comp but as you look towards the bottom of the swan where the feet meet the ground, it looks fine. On camera flash maybe? I don't know if you have the RAW file or not but even if you don't you can try this on a jpg...take the image in to Adobe Camera RAW and there's a slider there for recovering highlights. Also you can try using the "Shadow & Highlights" filter in Photoshop to bring the face and the hand down a bit.

I actually do kind of like this shot...there's a very strong sense of irony here. Aside from the lighting issue of course, ya got that whole sense of "why doesn't this go together" with the swan and the train tracks. I honestly think I'd play with this shot a bit...if nothing else it definitely has a good degree of interest for the viewer.

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It's not a composite. ha ha. It's the product of a grey, wet day, with nervous kids racing about my ankles while this big swan was attacking the bread in my friends' hand. I got all sorts of camera shake, poor set up and just on-camera flash. I had to do lots of work on the head, to get rid of the shake.

I do have the RAW, and I need to play around a little more. BTW, the "train tracks" are just bits of wood to delineate the footpath - it's next to a big pond where people throw bread at these critters! ha ha




  
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Jul 16, 2010 18:38 |  #10

If it was my shot I would delete it. Like it was already said, If it means something to you keep it, but it's just not a good shot and I wouldn't invest much time trying to make it a good shot. Go get some better shots.

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Jul 16, 2010 19:01 |  #11

Wow the original looks fake. I like it though.


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Jul 16, 2010 19:09 as a reply to  @ Q-Man's post |  #12

Having seen the original, I give the nod to the b+w initial post. I'd say you have rescued the swan... to an extent.

The composition is good and the way the swan from the neck upward seem to pop out from the photo as in 3D movies, it's quite eye catching.

That being said, the best use for this photo is probably an avatar photo or raw material for something along the lines of "I Can Has Cheezburger?"

but, if you like it, then by all means keep working on it (like what to do with the 'train tracks'). What is good to you is good to you and you've made it happen thus far, and there might be more to the photo that none of us are aware of.



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Jul 17, 2010 01:02 as a reply to  @ StudioAbe's post |  #13

Thanks all. I appreciate that some people wouldn't keep this shot, but like it has been said, sometimes you keep a photo for other reasons than the technical ones.

Sometimes you can't just "go back and get better shots" and have to go with what you have.

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Jul 17, 2010 01:09 |  #14

how the hell did you make that swan sharp enough when the original is blurry and has ghosting? wow!!!

I like the end result though specially with an original photo like that.


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Jul 17, 2010 01:19 |  #15

monk3y wrote in post #10552089 (external link)
how the hell did you make that swan sharp enough when the original is blurry and has ghosting? wow!!!

I like the end result though specially with an original photo like that.

Photoshop Clone tool. :D

To be honest, the conversion to B&W does cover a few sins - It wouldn't look so sharp if it was left in colour, I think.




  
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