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My bud's 350Z, What else should i do to better the shot?

 
john0213
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Jul 16, 2010 07:55 |  #1

Well, i was handicapped by the one flash as i only have one on my hand at the moment.

i understand that the rim on the 4th pic is dirty but i didn't have anything with me at the time to clean the wheel.

please let me know what you guys think~

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Jul 16, 2010 08:54 |  #2

Wayyyyyy too much vignetting was applied. There is a lot of noise on all the pictures which tells me there probably wasn't enough light used and you tried to boost it in PP. My guess is the white color of the car blew out the image so the darks ended up being too dark. You'll probably need to expose for the darks next time.




  
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Jul 16, 2010 09:16 |  #3

That 3rd pic threw me off a bit. I thought he did a 370Z hl conversion until I went back and looked at the first pic. There's deff quite a bit of noise as stated above and the lighting is a bit harsh. Nice Z though, I think I remember this one from my350.


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Jul 16, 2010 09:27 |  #4

Wow! These look quite stylish. My only concern is that you seem to have been afflicted with every car photographers' curse ie that of extraneous reflections, some of which are baboon butt ugly. Upon further inspection, there is also a lack of wheel definition which is a shame as the ultra low profile tyres are an essential part of the cars overall look. Agree about the noise which is more visible in the close ups but should be relatively easy to clean up.


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Jul 16, 2010 10:33 |  #5

Considering you only had one flash, you might have compensated alittle by not parking the car so directly under the overhead light. Use what you got to your best advantage. Move the car to where you get the maximum lighting available, then use your flash to fill in.


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Jul 16, 2010 10:34 |  #6

Ok...just an "outside the box" suggestion here but as you're dealing with a car...an inanimate object that's not going any place, and since you only have the one flash, this might be a good subject for the whole "painting with light" thing.

Maybe try this; set up your camera on a good STABLE tripod and try doing an exposure between 10 and 15 seconds (you may need to play with the time and the aperture a bit) with your ISO set to it's lowest setting (like ISO 100 or 200). Then try "walking around" the subject (staying out of view of the camera of course) and firing that one flash manually at different points where you'd use multiple flashes if you had them. Instead of a flash, you could also trying using a single flash light or flood light as well to just "paint" the light in where you want it. You will want the car in a -dark- location to do this...any background lights like you have in those shots could easily blow out, but it may be worth a try (and remember you can also use this technique to light up the dark background a bit too).

Again, just thinking outside the box...
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Jul 17, 2010 06:27 |  #7

Walczak Photo wrote in post #10547897 (external link)
Ok...just an "outside the box" suggestion here but as you're dealing with a car...an inanimate object that's not going any place, and since you only have the one flash, this might be a good subject for the whole "painting with light" thing.

Maybe try this; set up your camera on a good STABLE tripod and try doing an exposure between 10 and 15 seconds (you may need to play with the time and the aperture a bit) with your ISO set to it's lowest setting (like ISO 100 or 200). Then try "walking around" the subject (staying out of view of the camera of course) and firing that one flash manually at different points where you'd use multiple flashes if you had them. Instead of a flash, you could also trying using a single flash light or flood light as well to just "paint" the light in where you want it. You will want the car in a -dark- location to do this...any background lights like you have in those shots could easily blow out, but it may be worth a try (and remember you can also use this technique to light up the dark background a bit too).

Again, just thinking outside the box...
Jim

Thanks jim for the great idea.

any suggestion if a soft box is needed for light painting?

Droberts: you're right, i should've have the car sit under the very front or rear and use the strobe to fill the missing part, it should've light the car a lot more even then just having the light spotting on the roof instead.


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Jul 17, 2010 09:05 |  #8

john0213 wrote in post #10552695 (external link)
any suggestion if a soft box is needed for light painting?


I've never used one...but then I've never done anything as large as a car either. Honestly...unless you had a full pro studio to work in, I'm not sure exactly how you would set up a light box for a car! LOL!!! For some of the flower shots I've done, I did use a cotton background (actually an old t-shirt) and with the guitar shots, I just shot them down in my music studio (or later in my living room). The main thing is to just make sure the area you're shooting in...indoors or out...is -dark-. If there are any sources of light around, obviously a long exposure is quite likely to pick it up in the shot.

Here's a couple of examples...

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In both of these cases, the images were lit exclusively with a MAGlite. I set up the camera on a tripod, pre-focused the camera, turned the lights off and then hit the shutter button (using the timer of course). When I heard the shutter open, I just started painting with the flashlight, filling in the areas that I wanted lit.

Now I will say that in both of those examples there, I did have to play with things a bit. It's nearly impossible to get the lighting EXACT from image to image like this and each image does come out just a bit different so do take several images so you can compare afterward. You also may need to play with the shutter speed a bit too to find what works best for you. Again use a low ISO and I usually have the aperture set around 2 to 3 stops smaller than wide open (although with the flower I think I was wide open to get a shallow DOF). I honestly don't remember my exact settings for these shots so feel free to look at the EXIF data but when I'm doing stuff like this, I usually find that around 10 seconds on the shutter is a good place to start. Since you're shooting something MUCH larger than a flower or a guitar though you'll probably need a bit longer to give you time to get around the car and light it from the angles you want.

In your case since you're shooting a car...and it's not actually your car...I would suggest trying this idea on something smaller first to give you a better idea of how it all works. I will warn you though, it's a bit addictive! LOL! I've seen some really long exposures (up to 60 seconds or more) where people have ran around putting different colored gels on flashes and stuff to light different parts of a scene in different ways. It's a lot of fun to play around with and you can get some really interesting and creative results.

Again you can do this with a flash light, a spot light or even a flash that can be fired manually. If you do use a flash light or a spot though, make sure you watch your color temperature...most flash lights are still incandescents so they tend to give off a bit of a yellowish glow. I use the MAGlite myself for a few reasons...first the color balance is a bit better than an average flash light. My MAG also has a focusable beam...I can go tight spot or really wide. Last but not least, it's one of the 6 cell MAGs like the cops use and that sucker is BRIGHT! LOL!!! Any way you go with it though, just play with it...you should get the idea pretty quickly.

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