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70-200L F/2.8 II IS + 2X TC vs 70-200L F/4 IS + 150-500OS

 
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Jul 23, 2010 21:15 |  #1

Hello people of Potn!
I've read alot of reviews of the semi-new 70-200 2.8 II recently, and it seems like a really, really good lens. To get straight to the point: would I be totally nuts if I sold my f/4 IS and my sigma 150-500OS to found this new lens and a 2x teleconverter.
I don't feel that I use the sigma often enough to justify having it laying around, and I think I would be able to deal with the loss of 100 mm focal length and maybe a tiny bit of image quality.
I often find that the F4 is too slow for indoor use, and that is basically the main reason I am looking into the F2.8!

I hope you can help me making up my mind!

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Jul 24, 2010 00:23 |  #2

I think the upgrade will be a good idea. You can use he 70-200 2.8 II as a 70-200 f4 and up to 400mm. The 70-200 2.8 IS II at 400mm looks better than the sigma at 400mm: http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=4​&APIComp=0 (external link)

You'll just be missing 400-500.


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Jul 24, 2010 02:39 |  #3

SiaoP wrote in post #10593456 (external link)
I think the upgrade will be a good idea. You can use he 70-200 2.8 II as a 70-200 f4 and up to 400mm. The 70-200 2.8 IS II at 400mm looks better than the sigma at 400mm: http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=4​&APIComp=0 (external link)

You'll just be missing 400-500.

Wow it blows the sigma away.


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Jul 24, 2010 03:42 |  #4

IQ might be as good or even better, but I doubt AF will be good. I'm also doubtful all elements of IQ will be equal, especially CA.




  
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Jul 24, 2010 04:45 |  #5

I would go for it! It's a very nice lens! You'll not regret it!


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Jul 24, 2010 04:56 |  #6

At the moment you can use the 4.0 IS L or the 150-500 OS as needed, so don't have to carry both around. With the 2.8 lens you have all eggs in the one basket and it's heavy for day to day use. Seems to me you need to decide where your priorities lie and invest accordingly. For example, indoors 70mm is very narrow so do you actually need a fast wider lens, sell the OS lens and use a 1.4 or 2.0 with the 4.0 IS L?


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Jul 24, 2010 10:59 |  #7

Well the 70-200mm 2.8 IS L M2 can certainily achive very usable quality images with the 2*TC at the 400mm mark - infact results are about in line with the 100-400mm L
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=869226

As for selling your current 2 lenses for the lens and the TC overall I would say its not a bad move - you already have to change over lenses if you want to shift from 200mm to longer so adding in a TC to get more reach won't disadvantage you from your current setup. It would only affect you if you currently have 2 camera bodies upon which you can mount each lens and thus allow for a quicker swap over.

As for weight I find that the 70-200mm f2.8 is a lens that starts off being very big and very heavy, however for most people its a weight and size that you can grow acustomed to working with. Give it a good month or two and you can very much get used to using it about the place. You might of course find it more of a pain on "none-photography" days or when you are working indoors - in the latter though you are losing that smallness for increased aperture abilty and thus more light gathering.


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Jul 24, 2010 17:34 |  #8

Thanks for the replies guys :)
I am not too concerned about the weight, my 150-500OS weights in at almost 2 kg so it is around 500g heavier then the 70-200 2.8, and I haven't had any problems regarding weight with the sigma yet.
Actually I think the weight is an other good reason to upgrade, if I want to bring my two lenses as of now I have to bring almost 3 kg where I can go with 1,5 with the 70-200+TC.
Now I just need to find someone in Denmark (or Europe) who wants to buy the two 'old' lenses. Any ideas about what price they goes for used? The 70-200 F4 IS is from 2007 but appears and functions as good as a brand new. The sigma is ~1 year old and is also in mint condition.

And again, sorry for bad English :)




  
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Jul 24, 2010 18:37 |  #9

I've no idea about prices but might be worth both checking out the current new price in your country and also the current second hand trading price (check out photography stores that offer second hand goods to see if they are selling them and at what price) you can also use Ebay and check the sold auctions for the finishing price - though do mind this method as if there are only a few sales oddball ones can mess with hte results (eg the lens might sell to someone for a far higher or far lower price than it could normally sell at second hand).


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Jul 25, 2010 11:21 |  #10

Seems like I can sell the 70-200 for ~6500-7000 danish and the sigma for around 5000. The 2.8 II cost ~15600 and ~2200 for the tele converter. So I am looking into spending ~5000 kr (700 euro), but I think that is somewhat cheap for what I get.




  
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Jul 25, 2010 15:55 as a reply to  @ Skraap's post |  #11

I have just got myself a 2.8mk2 and its stunning.


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Jul 25, 2010 16:16 |  #12

How's the 70-200 MrkII AF speed with Canon 1.4X and 2.0X TC?


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Jul 25, 2010 16:36 |  #13

I've not done much testing with the 1.4TC (the 2*TC has been on a lot more!) though in the past I found the original 70-200mm f2.8 IS L had a good AF speed with the 1.4TC and also a good fast lock on without much hunting at all - so I would expect the same or better with the M2.
With hte 2*TC the AF takes a more noticable hit - it is slower and can hunt more if you are in dimmer lighting. My advice is with the 2*TC you want to use the USM focusing - shift the focus to close to in focus on the subject and then let AF really nail the focus .

Remember also that AF speed and accuracy is going to depend on the camera body that the person is using. (400D here myself).


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Jul 25, 2010 17:11 |  #14

Overread wrote in post #10601230 (external link)
I've not done much testing with the 1.4TC (the 2*TC has been on a lot more!) though in the past I found the original 70-200mm f2.8 IS L had a good AF speed with the 1.4TC and also a good fast lock on without much hunting at all - so I would expect the same or better with the M2.
With hte 2*TC the AF takes a more noticable hit - it is slower and can hunt more if you are in dimmer lighting. My advice is with the 2*TC you want to use the USM focusing - shift the focus to close to in focus on the subject and then let AF really nail the focus .

Remember also that AF speed and accuracy is going to depend on the camera body that the person is using. (400D here myself).

Guess the AF speed for a 2.0TC + 70-200 mark II combo is much better on 7D?


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Jul 25, 2010 17:12 |  #15

I would expect it to be improved over my 400D but I've no idea by how much. Speed wise I would expect similar but hte 7D I would hope would have far less of a hunting problem ( ie more accurate lock on )


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