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Jul 28, 2010 03:51 |  #1

I have permission to buy a 1D from my girlfriend but I am wondering it if will make such a huge difference to my pics. I am in a bit of a dilemma as to wether or not to order it

I mainly shoot birds and my kids sport, football etc. You can see from my signature the kit I have to go with it

I guess there will be several people on here who have both and will be able to compare the 2. I will be keeping the 7D as well if I get the 1D

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Jul 28, 2010 03:59 |  #2
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I had a 1DIV and it's noise levels are excellent. Close to the 5DII (or even better).

Not as good as the D3s though, but not far off.




  
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Jul 28, 2010 04:07 |  #3

you gotta throw a Nikon in there dont ya :)


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Jul 28, 2010 04:12 |  #4
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zincozinco wrote in post #10616846 (external link)
you gotta throw a Nikon in there dont ya :)

LOL Yeah.

Honestly though the 1DIV is an awesome camera. A bit specialised, but awesome (I sold mine to a friend who loves it).

I'd say the D3s has a slight edge on AF, especially in low light situations.




  
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Jul 28, 2010 04:17 |  #5

if I were the OP and wanted sports, id just get another 7d and some lenses for the rest of the money. Or just lenses. I honestly cant see the difference between the 1dIV and 7d. Im sure that there are many that can especially in a working environment with dust and moist seal etc but image wise not really.

Aother thing to the OP is that if you look at threads 1d vs 7d you might see that teh 1d are "better" images - but that is mainly because people who drop 4 grand on a body have been shooting for awhile and therefore have more experience and I would not say that between the 2 in the capable hands of a working photojournalist - you would not be able to tell them apart.

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Jul 28, 2010 04:24 |  #6

zincozinco wrote in post #10616878 (external link)
if I were the OP and wanted sports, id just get another 7d and some lenses for the rest of the money. Or just lenses. I honestly cant see the difference between the 1dIV and 7d. Im sure that there are many that can especially in a working environment with dust and moist seal etc but image wise not really.

Aother thing to the OP is that if you look at threads 1d vs 7d you might see that teh 1d are "better" images - but that is mainly because people who drop 4 grand on a body have been shooting for awhile and therefore have more experience and I would not say that between the 2 in the capable hands of a working photojournalist - you would not be able to tell them apart.

I can go on but i tire my self :)

Might be stirring the pot but if the 1DIV threads are full of experienced photographers who could produce the same work with a 7D, why didn't they go for a 7D? They are pros and they do this to make money (and any smart business man would buy a Chevy over a Mercedes if they could get the same results from either).

The question is not so much can the 1DIV produce better pictures than the 7D (and I do agree with you that a good photographer could get desirable photos with either camera if that is all he/she had) . The question is are the extra features worth the price difference to the buyer?




  
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Jul 28, 2010 04:25 |  #7
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Noise would be the biggest difference IMHO.

If you shoot a lot of low light, then go for it.

As for extra feature. I'd say the 7D has more bells and whistles while the 1DIV has more stuff that would actually help you make better photos. ;)




  
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Jul 28, 2010 05:10 |  #8

Stu Scully wrote in post #10616891 (external link)
Might be stirring the pot but if the 1DIV threads are full of experienced photographers who could produce the same work with a 7D, why didn't they go for a 7D? They are pros and they do this to make money (and any smart business man would buy a Chevy over a Mercedes if they could get the same results from either).

The question is not so much can the 1DIV produce better pictures than the 7D (and I do agree with you that a good photographer could get desirable photos with either camera if that is all he/she had) . The question is are the extra features worth the price difference to the buyer?

As always the build quality and battery capacity have always been my reason for having the 1 series when i was working "in the field" (newspaper style). You make an investment because its not going to break. I dont do that so much anymore. Also I was stomped by Canon when i had to replace the shutter on my 1dsmk2 at 49.000 shots and it cost me almost 800 euro.... so Im not paying premium anymore. I get a "cheap" body and if it breaks let the insurance handle it. However the build on the 7d has not let me down yet and it has been thrown around a few times.

Also the 1 series have a few advantages such as the af with extender and some customizable options - but these days they are getting less and less. there is way to much competition on the market. Canon would not have released the 7d if they were not loosing ground. Its such a good camera im sure that it is cannibalizing on the 1dIV and before that the 1dIII.

anyway im not gonna get sucked into which camera is better - obviously the 1dIV is a better camera but im not sure its gonna make you 3 grand more than the 7d. Sounds stupid but the 7d has a pop up flash and 1.6 xFOV which the 1dIV dont.


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Jul 28, 2010 06:00 |  #9

Stu Scully wrote in post #10616891 (external link)
Might be stirring the pot but if the 1DIV threads are full of experienced photographers who could produce the same work with a 7D, why didn't they go for a 7D? They are pros and they do this to make money (and any smart business man would buy a Chevy over a Mercedes if they could get the same results from either).

The question is not so much can the 1DIV produce better pictures than the 7D (and I do agree with you that a good photographer could get desirable photos with either camera if that is all he/she had) . The question is are the extra features worth the price difference to the buyer?

In most cases, it is more lust than functionality that drives many here to the 1D. The 7D is the more modern camera feature-wise between the two, even though the IV came out after the 7D. The 1D IV is more what the 1D III should have been, Canon started the IV development as they were going through the III's AF issues, so that is why the IV looks like the III and doesn't have really much of anything from the 7D on it. The V is what will be very promising to me, I will skip over the IV and watch for the V, that will be an interesting camera.


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Jul 28, 2010 06:02 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #10

A camera three times the cost will not make you a better photographer. :) Yes, it makes a difference, but your decision should depend on whether you are limited by the 7D in some way. The 7D is an outstanding sports and bird camera.


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Jul 28, 2010 06:11 as a reply to  @ bkdc's post |  #11

Thanks for the advice so far guys. I am very lucky in that the cost isn't really a huge issue but from what I have read so far it seems the main advantage is the lower noise. I thought that the better AF would be useful for birds in flight, fast moving sport etc and I can get away with a 1.4 extender on my 100 to 400 so I dont have to carry the 500 so often!

I may take a look at 5D Mk 2 and some more glass as another option. I could use the 7D for sport and the 5D for portraits and landscapes possibly with a 85L and still get some change

My only concern with this route is that I may still not have "scratched the itch" and will want a 1 series later so even more expense.

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Jul 28, 2010 06:26 |  #12

the way i see it you will never be happy with your choice.... :) Whatever it is.


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Jul 28, 2010 07:05 as a reply to  @ zincozinco's post |  #13

I think you could be right!!!

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Jul 28, 2010 07:09 |  #14

+1.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10617098 (external link)
The 1D IV is more what the 1D III should have been, Canon started the IV development as they were going through the III's AF issues, so that is why the IV looks like the III and doesn't have really much of anything from the 7D on it.


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Jul 28, 2010 07:20 |  #15

zincozinco wrote in post #10617002 (external link)
battery capacity has always been my reason for having the 1 series.

is this before the 7D came out or are you really having issues with 7D battery life? I just shot 2k shots with one charge with mine over the last 2 weeks. With my 5Dii it was always over 1k. Sure the 1 series can do more, but the battery is a lot bigger, heavier and more expensive. 2 7D batteries will get you the same, no?


I agree with what others are saying though. The 7D will basically get the same or similar shots in the same hands. The question is do you NEED the extras of the 1Div. You shooting for fun or for money OP?


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