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So, can I say a 7D is practically a 1.6 crop IDMk4?

 
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Jul 28, 2010 22:44 |  #16

jwcdds wrote in post #10622179 (external link)
So basically. You just want a 1D4 for shi...ggles. :lol:

Who doesn't :lol:


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Jul 28, 2010 22:50 |  #17

:D I don't. (But I don't shoot professional sports or BiF/wildlife for a living.)

If I'm going to throw 4900 clams at a 1.3, I might as well just throw the ~8500 clams at the 1Ds4 that will eventually be announced. At least I'll get the wholesome FF goodness to make use of UWA. And not be stuck in no man's land of 1.3 (not wide enough, not long enough). Again just my opinion and I know the 1.3 actually works for many people.


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Jul 28, 2010 23:05 |  #18

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FPS is good, 1.6 crop is not too convinence but I "probably" will get by it :p (I really make it sounds like I have comprimsed a lot :p) Just not 100% sure regards to high ISO performance. Anyway at 3200 or above is good IQ and I am happy.

You might want to dig through my posts... :) I shoot well over half of what I do at ISO 6400 and 12800 at events. I use very long lenses and don't have the luxury of using flashes at the band competitions. Given the two, the 1D is just under 3 times the cost of the 7D, and honestly, it is not 3 times the camera, and the 7D has more techno-features that never had time to make their way to the 1DIV.

ISO 12800 just for fun...

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Jul 28, 2010 23:11 |  #19

Wow. Impressed.
No noise or you PP the noise out.

Unless i won the national lottery 1st prize, the cash from the 1D & 7D, i will use to fund my 600F4L or even a PhaseOne 645DF setup.

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Jul 28, 2010 23:12 |  #20

These are post-processed, I developed a set of actions about 2 weeks after getting the 7D that I now utilize, depending on how bad the noise is. The noise on these higher resolution cameras clean up better especially since there is no noticeable banding.


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Jul 28, 2010 23:16 |  #21

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These are post-processed, I developed a set of actions about 2 weeks after getting the 7D that I now utilize, depending on how bad the noise is. The noise on these higher resolution cameras clean up better especially since there is no noticeable banding.

I am not a PS user, only have Noiseware.

Wonder if it can come close to your PP results ?

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Jul 29, 2010 01:29 as a reply to  @ lensmen's post |  #22

I have both cameras and if you cant manage to get a mk4 you will be happy with the 7d.


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Jul 29, 2010 05:46 |  #23

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I am not a PS user, only have Noiseware.

Wonder if it can come close to your PP results ?

Cheers

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I use noiseware in photoshop...


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Jul 29, 2010 05:54 |  #24

But the argument continues the other way, T2i'ers will say the 7D isn't twice the camera the T2i is. They'll say they can get those exact same shots at 12800 with a T2i, that you don't need a 7D to get them.


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Jul 29, 2010 06:03 |  #25

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But the argument continues the other way, T2i'ers will say the 7D isn't twice the camera the T2i is. They'll say they can get those exact same shots at 12800 with a T2i, that you don't need a 7D to get them.

Not those that like the larger better feeling bodies, larger 100% viewfinders, faster framerates, faster AF, 3 stop AEB, faster sync speeds, microadjustments, longer battery life, and wireless flash control... :)

(basically all features vs IQ, but some are very useful)


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Jul 29, 2010 06:44 |  #26

If size is what matters then throw a grip on the 7D and it should feel similar to the other body both in weight and size at a much lower cost.

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Jul 29, 2010 07:06 |  #27

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10622452 (external link)
These are post-processed, I developed a set of actions about 2 weeks after getting the 7D that I now utilize, depending on how bad the noise is. The noise on these higher resolution cameras clean up better especially since there is no noticeable banding.

man team speed. I would love to see those actions for high iso shots. great results. your my 7d hero:lol:. you do very nice work.


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Jul 29, 2010 07:21 |  #28

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10623631 (external link)
Not those that like the larger better feeling bodies, larger 100% viewfinders, faster framerates, faster AF, 3 stop AEB, faster sync speeds, microadjustments, longer battery life, and wireless flash control... :)

(basically all features vs IQ, but some are very useful)

I agree but of course you get even faster framerates and AF, 7 shot AEB, even longer battery life, better build and sealing, etc. with a 1D. It's all about the features you need beyond the IQ. T2i owners say 7D owners are paying too much for a few features, 7D owners say the same thing about 1D Mark IV owners...


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Jul 29, 2010 07:21 as a reply to  @ Magnus3D's post |  #29

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I think it is a sound assessment actually.
Of course it doesn't have the build of a $4K body, but it is so far up the food chain from any previous sub $2K release, I find it closer to a 1D than anything else Canon has made.

agreed. And I've owned a 1D and 1Dii. I don't like the 1 series bodies though, too big, too heavy. So I'm GLAD the 7D isn't built like that... I also prefer 1.6 to 1.3... If it's not FF it better take advantage of that fact and offer me cheaper -or- lighter glass.


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Jul 29, 2010 07:37 |  #30

hpulley wrote in post #10623846 (external link)
I agree but of course you get even faster framerates and AF, 7 shot AEB, even longer battery life, better build and sealing, etc. with a 1D. It's all about the features you need beyond the IQ. T2i owners say 7D owners are paying too much for a few features, 7D owners say the same thing about 1D Mark IV owners...

$760 price difference between the T2i and 7D and a $3435 price difference between the 7D and 1DIV, which is a pretty important attribute to this argument.

Is the jump to the 1D from the 7D really 4.5 times greater than the jump from the T2i to the 7D? I don't see how. Don't get me wrong, I will have the improved and enhanced MKIII (aka the MKIV) at some point, but there is no way it makes any financial sense at this point.

Put another way, is the 7D twice the camera of the T2i based on price? <shakes head no>.... Is the 1DIV over 3 times the camera of the 7D? <head shakes no so hard it falls off>....


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