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Recommend me a good, inexpensive protable crane.

 
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Jul 31, 2010 14:52 |  #1

I am getting the Canon T2i as my first DSLR, not only for the still photography, but for video as well.

I plan on shooting a lot of nature stuff as well as some action-y motocross. Both still and video.

Ive been watching some videos and I am amazed at how much a crane can add to a video, and Im really wanting one. So I think I may bump up my budget to get one.

With that said, what are some good ones that are good, not huge, inexpensive(~$400) and are made by reputable companies? Ill also need a recommendation for a good tripod, and whatever is needed to get the crane and tripod to work together.

If any of you have one that fits that bill and have some video of it in action, I would love to see.

Thanks.


Also, are there any other things I would need for basic video shooting with a T2i?




  
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Jul 31, 2010 17:07 |  #2

$400 bucks? Really? I mean reeeaaaallllly? That might get you the heavy duty tripod to hold a small jib or crane.




  
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Aug 02, 2010 18:59 |  #3

clamber wrote in post #10637881 (external link)
Recommend me a good, inexpensive protable crane.

Ummm, no.




  
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Aug 02, 2010 21:30 |  #4

OP,

They are not being non-helpful. Its just that based on what you wrote, you either lack knowledge, or just haven't taken the time to do any research.

Have you done any research? If so, where?

I hope you are aware, that DSLR's do not have Auto-focus when shooting video. Thus you will have no means of keeping your subject in focus, if its moving. Servo does not work in Video Mode.

Just a quick search on B&H, turned up this Crane, which is the cheapest they offer, that can be broken down: http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …-REG/CobraCrane_5033.ht​ml (external link)

And that's just for the Crane, not counting Legs (Tripod), Head for Tripod, Remote Screen, or any other accessories you may need.

To do it right, a full Crane Rig, is going to run $1000.00 plus.

If you do it cheap, except cheap results. This is where the analogy, you get what you pay for, is dead on.


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Aug 03, 2010 02:02 |  #5

Hey clamber,

Been there. I understand that a $400 jib, if you learn to work around the inherent limitations, will get you that jib shot better than no jib at all will. That cobra crane linked to by the last poster is as good a bet you'll find in a cheap jib. If you can stretch your budget a little bit, you'll find a good jib from Kessler Crane (http://www.kesslercran​e.com …gcategory&id=26​&Itemid=51 (external link)) for slightly more cash. The cobra is a nice jib for the price, but the Kessler is a nice jib period. With either you will definitely see some bounce, a lack of remote pan/tilt and focus, possibly some lateral play with the cobra, as well as general ease-of-control that is inferior to a truly professional unit (like the awesome jimmy jib), but if you practice and take your time you can achieve stunning results. The kessler will also serve you well should you decide to invest in some remote units, and can be upgraded to the higher end models with a kit.

You can keep solid focus by stopping down or using a wide lens (24mm, even wide open will keep everything more than a few feet away in focus). A remote follow focus and a monitor will allow you (or ideally an AC) to pull focus during the shot with longer lenses.

Eventually (ASAP) you'll need a monitor so that you can actually see your framing while operating, and you'll be wishing for remote pan/tilt and remote follow focus. But you will get by if you are patient and practice, even with cheap gear.

Stay away from ebay jibs. Proaim and the army of other cheaply made jibs on ebay are not worth the money, and will fight you every step of the way.

If you have one specific project or shot in mind, spend that $400 on an experienced owner/operator. People not at the top of the industry are hurting right now, so you could probably get a great operator with something like the jimmy jib and all the trimmings for a full day for $400 if you really look around. You'll undoubtedly get better results by going that route, but if you're committed to really practicing and taking your time, you can achieve professional results with either that cobra crane or a kessler. It won't be easy, and you might be limited in where/what you can shoot, but it's possible.


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Aug 04, 2010 21:33 |  #6

check out kessler or cobra. i wouldnt use a dlsr though im sure someone mentioned above that you wont have any control without auto focus ;)




  
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Aug 05, 2010 11:59 |  #7

Brian_R wrote in post #10663969 (external link)
check out kessler or cobra. i wouldnt use a dlsr though im sure someone mentioned above that you wont have any control without auto focus ;)

You won't have AF with many video cameras either. A few companies do make an electronic follow focus with remote capabilities though. Won't be within the $400 budget unless you make your own with a servo and plenty of audio cable though.


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Aug 05, 2010 12:09 |  #8

actually there are several camera that have autofocus. but once you go above a certain price range that feature does go away as people owning or using higher end cameras would not ever use auto focus. most crane shots though will not have an extremely shallow focus that requires a camera operator to maintain focus. a lot of crane shots have deep focus anyway. so doesnt seem to be terribly important especially since it doesnt seem like he is working on a professional film set anyway




  
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Aug 05, 2010 17:32 |  #9

i just order this one

ProAm DVC200 (external link)

I will let you know what i think about it. It should work for me as i will be using small apertures and pretty easy movements.




  
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Aug 05, 2010 17:34 |  #10

Brian_R wrote in post #10667379 (external link)
actually there are several camera that have autofocus. but once you go above a certain price range that feature does go away as people owning or using higher end cameras would not ever use auto focus. most crane shots though will not have an extremely shallow focus that requires a camera operator to maintain focus. a lot of crane shots have deep focus anyway. so doesnt seem to be terribly important especially since it doesnt seem like he is working on a professional film set anyway

exactly. can't even think of a situation that would call for a shallow dof on a crane shot. maybe something low light but that is about it.




  
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Aug 05, 2010 18:34 |  #11

you have to post comments when you get that crane. i have heard a few people mention it before but never anything good or bad. dying to know how it is.




  
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Aug 05, 2010 19:04 |  #12

Brian_R wrote in post #10669379 (external link)
you have to post comments when you get that crane. i have heard a few people mention it before but never anything good or bad. dying to know how it is.

will do. I am posting all my mini video gear reviews here

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=899693




  
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Aug 05, 2010 21:33 |  #13

thanks. subscribed to that thread.




  
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Aug 06, 2010 15:21 |  #14

Alright, thanks guys.

Im contemplating taking out $500-1000 out of my motorcycle fund to get a crane.

So if I get a Kessler, what model? And I know nothing about tripods yet, so when getting a tripod/head, what should I look for?

Also, since I wont have a screen on it for a while unless theres some inexpensive ones, will it be hard to shoot without one?

Im wanting to do motocross videos at first, so Ill have to follow a bike and Im wondering if that is even possible without a screen.

Thanks guys.




  
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Aug 06, 2010 16:46 |  #15

if your doing motocross (i never done it before but i imagine it just like other sports) you wont have a lot of room to get very close and they people running the event might see it as a safety hazard. not sure though.




  
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