
The best thing about these threads is watching FF evangelists trip all over themselves trying to justify why the APS-C shot looks just as good.
I agree and think FF is just a little over rated.
malla1962 Cream of the Crop ![]() 7,714 posts Likes: 5 Joined Jul 2004 Location: Walney Island,cumbria,uk More info | Aug 15, 2010 02:49 | #31 tkbslc wrote in post #10721662 ![]() The best thing about these threads is watching FF evangelists trip all over themselves trying to justify why the APS-C shot looks just as good. I agree and think FF is just a little over rated.
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alpha_1976 Goldmember ![]() 3,960 posts Likes: 1 Joined Nov 2009 Location: USA More info | Aug 15, 2010 06:53 | #32 emitecaps wrote in post #10723306 ![]() Funny how people have to justify and rationalize their purchases. I have all 3 formats. I know more about gear than I know about photography
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I agree and think FF is just a little over rated Are you saying that the size of the sensor has no bearing on image quality? The things you do for yourself die with you, the things you do for others live forever.
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Tsmith Formerly known as Bluedog_XT ![]() 10,429 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jul 2005 Location: South_the 601 More info | Aug 15, 2010 07:35 | #34 Hopefully I'm not repeating what has already been stated but when shooting in RAW the 5D has a 12 bit vs 14 bit image processor of the 40D. Often times the Sky area in a photo will be what suffers from Posterization known as banding with loss of color depth or bit depth in the file.
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jacobsen1 Cream of the Crop ![]() 9,629 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jan 2006 Location: Mt View, RI More info | Aug 15, 2010 07:42 | #35 Veemac wrote in post #10723156 ![]() QFT. I find it humorous how many people seem to think that an APS-C is basically incapable of being used to shoot landscapes or portraits (as evidenced by the number of such threads/posts in this forum). it's especially funny if you drag Nikon into this fight... As a company and as a group of shooters they were on the crop only bandwagon for a long time and the pros locked into that system had no problem surviving. In-fact, SOME have even stayed with crop bodies because FF is too expensive for them... Much like some of us debating the two are feeling... Everything is cheaper with a crop and the cameras are so good, do you need to pay another $xyz for the tfn% improvement? chauncey wrote in post #10724437 ![]() Are you saying that the size of the sensor has no bearing on image quality? no, no one is saying it has NO bearing on anything. We're just SHOWING people how small the difference is in practical applications that don't lend themselves to NEEDING FF sensors. Anytime you're at base ISO part of FF's huge advantage is taken away. FF typically has better noise, DR and then colors IMHO. If noise isn't an issue (shouldn't be at base ISOs) and if you can handle the DR (with landscapes I'm either using filters anyway, or it's not an issue) then what's left? Details? 18mp -vs- 21mp is close enough for me. FF used to only be 11, then 12, 16 and now 21mp... Only ONE of those options has more than a 7D. Where FF really shines to me has nothing to do with the FF sensor itself and that's in the AA filter. Canon happens to put much weaker AA filters into it's FF bodies, but that's not a rule (look at a D700 image -vs- a 5D, same sensor size, same MP, the 5D wins every time in terms of sharpness). But that still takes away from the crop image, it IS slightly sharper. Plus with 18mp on crop, diffraction kicks in earlier and with only 100 ISO as the min you can't go as slow if that matters. My Gear List
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Aug 16, 2010 07:12 | #36 Agree with Ben. Although the 5D is a technically superior camera, look at the difference it made taking the shot 5 minutes later with the 40D. Any increases in IQ gained by the 5D are small in comparison to the differences due to the 5 minutes of light changing between the two shots. Lake Superior and North Shore Landscape Photography
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jacobsen1 Cream of the Crop ![]() 9,629 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jan 2006 Location: Mt View, RI More info | Aug 16, 2010 08:20 | #37 so in the end... My Gear List
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JoYork Goldmember ![]() 3,079 posts Likes: 5 Joined Dec 2007 Location: York, England More info | Aug 16, 2010 08:28 | #38 |
Aug 16, 2010 08:36 | #39 JoYork wrote in post #10730411 ![]() Ben, did you use any filters on your landscape test images? I think Ben uses GND filters and CPL's. In the images in this thread, I blended two expsures with one metered for the sky and one metered for the ground. I also use CPL's, but didnt have one in 77mm for this test to use on my rented 17-40. Lake Superior and North Shore Landscape Photography
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jacobsen1 Cream of the Crop ![]() 9,629 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jan 2006 Location: Mt View, RI More info | Aug 16, 2010 08:41 | #40 yes I use GNDs but this isn't my thread. My Gear List
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JoYork Goldmember ![]() 3,079 posts Likes: 5 Joined Dec 2007 Location: York, England More info | Aug 16, 2010 08:52 | #41 Oops sorry about that - all these threads, I got a bit confused as to who's posted what. Thanks for the info. Jo
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Hogloff Cream of the Crop 7,606 posts Likes: 415 Joined Apr 2003 Location: British Columbia More info | Aug 16, 2010 11:23 | #42 ![]() jacobsen1 wrote in post #10730384 ![]() so in the end... Landscaping: 95% being in the right place at the right time.... ![]() With the right equipment to produce the best photo possible. I spend a lot of time and money getting to my landscape locations and I bring along the camera that for me gives the best possible images. Why would anyone do otherwise?
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Hogloff Cream of the Crop 7,606 posts Likes: 415 Joined Apr 2003 Location: British Columbia More info | Aug 16, 2010 11:26 | #43 ![]() tkbslc wrote in post #10721662 ![]() The best thing about these threads is watching FF evangelists trip all over themselves trying to justify why the APS-C shot looks just as good. Personally I like to sit back and watch the crop guys always looking up to the FF cameras with envy and trying to continually show they can produce just as nice of an image.
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Aug 16, 2010 11:33 | #44 Hogloff wrote in post #10731377 ![]() Personally I like to sit back and watch the crop guys always looking up to the FF cameras with envy and trying to continually show they can produce just as nice of an image. Why don't people just go out and take photos and not worry so much about what everyone else is using for gear? I wish I would have instead of worrying about it, but I had to find out for myself or Id always have the question in my mind. Now that Ive seen for myself in which areas the 5Dc is better than my 40D, I can make an informed choice about which format to pursue. Lake Superior and North Shore Landscape Photography
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jacobsen1 Cream of the Crop ![]() 9,629 posts Likes: 26 Joined Jan 2006 Location: Mt View, RI More info | Hogloff wrote in post #10731359 ![]() With the right equipment to produce the best photo possible. I spend a lot of time and money getting to my landscape locations and I bring along the camera that for me gives the best possible images. Why would anyone do otherwise? wait, I thought you said you had a 5Dii? The best possible images would be from a 1DsIII (if you MUST shoot a canon) if not MF/LF backs. Hogloff wrote in post #10731377 ![]() Personally I like to sit back and watch the crop guys always looking up to the FF cameras with envy and trying to continually show they can produce just as nice of an image. that's the thing, I'm not a crop guy. I'm not a FF guy. I'm a photographer. I happen to own BOTH formats though... Why don't people just go out and take photos and not worry so much about what everyone else is using for gear? so in one post, you're adding fuel to the FF -vs- crop fire, then in the very next you're saying why don't we drop all the gear issues and just shoot? My Gear List
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