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Aug 17, 2010 08:14 |  #1

Currently I have ...
Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon 70-200 F/4L USM
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Sigma 10-20
Sigma 150-500

Having just bought my first L lens and being so happy with it, I am thinking my next save-up project will be to replace the 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM with another L lens, probably the 24-105mm F4 L IS USM. That would leave me with the

Wide angle : Sigma 10-20
Nifty fifty : Canon 50mm f/1.8
Currently my fav :Canon 70-200 F/4L USM
Wildlife (and other long distance objects) Sigma 150-500

I might even get rid of the BIGMOS as I just cannot stop using the the 70-200 L !!

The guy in my local shop said the 17-85 fits well with the 40D and that he personnally would not use the money to get a L lens. Any thoughts on this?


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Aug 17, 2010 08:23 |  #2

TheLaird wrote in post #10736803 (external link)
Currently I have ...
Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM
Canon 70-200 F/4L USM
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Sigma 10-20
Sigma 150-500

Having just bought my first L lens and being so happy with it, I am thinking my next save-up project will be to replace the 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM with another L lens, probably the 24-105mm F4 L IS USM. That would leave me with the

Wide angle : Sigma 10-20
Nifty fifty : Canon 50mm f/1.8
Currently my fav :Canon 70-200 F/4L USM
Wildlife (and other long distance objects) Sigma 150-500

I might even get rid of the BIGMOS as I just cannot stop using the the 70-200 L !!

The guy in my local shop said the 17-85 fits well with the 40D and that he personnally would not use the money to get a L lens. Any thoughts on this?

Do you have an idea of which end of the 17-85 you tend to use more? If its the wider focal lengths, maybe you could consider the 17-55. It is a very well regarded non-L lens, with f/2.8 max aperture and IS.


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Aug 17, 2010 08:25 |  #3

I think what your need is a 10-22.


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Aug 17, 2010 08:31 |  #4

I replaced my 17-85 with the 24-105 and could not be more happy.

The 24-105 is incredible, and I welcome the extra reach. Especially since you have the 10-20 if you NEED wide, the 24-105 is a perfect fit.

My 24-105 is very sharp wide open from wide to telephoto. So happy with it! It took a trip to Canon at first because at 105 is was front focusing, but they did their fancy little multi-point calibration and it is flawless now. Would be the last lens I sold out of my collection, for sure. I always underestimate how awesome this lens is. I look at photos I took on my trips and I am blown away. Gives that awesome 3D effect it is so sharp :D


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Aug 17, 2010 09:03 |  #5

I tend to agree with "the guy in your local shop" in that the 17-85 is generally a better range for a 1.6x crop camera. That's not to say that the 24-105 wouldn't be a better fit FOR YOU, but I wouldn't want to trade the wide end of the 17-85 range for the longer focal length available on the 24-105.

I like the constant aperture aspect of the 24-105, but I don't know if I'd spend that extra money and deal with the other tradeoffs just to get f/4 at the longer focal lengths.

If I had to pick nits about the 17-85, I'd have to say it does fall off a tad in the corners with regard to sharpness, but overall is a decent lens when used properly.

I just sold mine this week, but moreso because I needed to and not because I wanted to.

What is it about the 17-85 that leaves you feeling like you'd like to replace it?

If I had some extra funds to apply to some gear, I'd look into getting something that I didn't more or less already have. Maybe a nice monopod (looks like you have a tripod), a tripod collar for the 70-200 f/4L (since they don't include one with it and it makes the combo more stable on a tripod), or maybe a flash if you don't have one.


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Aug 17, 2010 11:01 as a reply to  @ Big Hands's post |  #6

The 17-85s biggest problem is the wide end, it has a lot of CA at 17mm and the edges are not very sharp even when stopped down. The other big issue everyone mentions is the distortion, and while it is pretty bad it's virtually the same as a 24-105L on a FF body, and you don't hear many people complaining about that lens body combo often, do you?

The CA and distortion can be fixed very easily in post with good software, but the edge softness you can't do much about. Once zoomed to 24mm the sharpness and distortion are much improved, virtually the same as for the rest of the focal range. So basically the 17-85 will only handicap you if you do a lot of wide shooting at 17mm.

The best replacement for the 17-85 is the new 15-85, which is better in virtually every way. Better build (but still not L), 15mm is much wider then 17mm and the image quality is much better on the wide side. The long side is pretty much the same as the 17-85, and so is the f range. Overall it's what the 17-85 should have been, but honestly the price difference is so large that I personally can't justify the upgrade expense just for the improved wide end, and will happily continue to use my 17-85 and buy an extra lens instead, like the Sigma 30mm which is a great addition to a crop body.

So ask yourself, what range on the 17-85 do you use the most, and is it worth upgrading to the 24-105 for the improved build and extra stop? The image quality will be better on the L but not by such a large margin, especially at the long end.


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Aug 17, 2010 11:20 |  #7

Perhaps another way to look at this is, will my Sigma 10-20 give me as good IQ in the UWA end of the focal range compared to the 17-85 or 15-85? If so, I keep the Sigma for wide shots and get the 24-105 to cover up to the 70mm range of the 70-200 L.

A lot of my walkabout shots are between the Sigma and 70-200 range. Or should I say, below 20 and above 70mm, I can never get the right place to take the shot I want to !


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Aug 17, 2010 11:25 |  #8

why not look at the 17-40 f4L. It fits nicely in that gap between 10-20 and the 50.


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Aug 17, 2010 16:51 |  #9

TheLaird wrote in post #10737947 (external link)
Perhaps another way to look at this is, will my Sigma 10-20 give me as good IQ in the UWA end of the focal range compared to the 17-85 or 15-85? If so, I keep the Sigma for wide shots and get the 24-105 to cover up to the 70mm range of the 70-200 L.

A lot of my walkabout shots are between the Sigma and 70-200 range. Or should I say, below 20 and above 70mm, I can never get the right place to take the shot I want to !

I would say the Sigma 10-20 is better then either the 15-85 or 17-85 at the 15/17-20mm range. It's an UWA after all, and the extra angle you get with 10mm compared to 15mm is quite huge.

From what you say I think your best bet is indeed to keep the Sigma for the wide stuff and replace the 17-85 with the 24-105. That would give you two very nice L lenses with great IQ for a very large range from 24 to 200, with a constant f4. I wouldn't mind that setup either :)


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Aug 17, 2010 17:20 |  #10

If this is your single general / walk about lens consider whether 24mm will be wide enough on your crop body. I'd prefer something wider myself, like the 15-85 which I think is a great lens but it really depends where your priorities are.


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Aug 17, 2010 23:04 |  #11

I think you will be switching lenses too often if you go with the 24 - 105 and agree that the best replacement for the 17 - 85 is the 15 - 85. I did this switch a few months ago and plan to give my 17 - 85 to my daughter.


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Aug 18, 2010 15:37 |  #12

How often do you shoot ultrawide. You can sell the Sigma 10-20 and the Canon 17-85 and get the 15-85mm. For landscapes you don't really want to go wider than 15 mm anyway. Ultrawide is for ultrawide shots which are rather unique.

I'm considering the same move (i have the Canon 10-22mm), but I think the 15-85 mm is just too expensive for what you get. Plus my 17-85 is sharp.


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Aug 18, 2010 16:16 |  #13

replace canon 17-85 with tamron 28-75, you'll be happy.


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