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15-85 vs 10-22 + 18-55

 
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Aug 24, 2010 11:53 |  #31

msowsun wrote in post #10455498 (external link)
Anything wider than about 15mm is UltraWide on a crop camera. The 15-85 is close enough to UWA that I find I rarely use my 11-16 now.

I thought about selling it, but it is just too nice a lens, and I am sure I would miss it too much.

I'm just nob amateur , but i believe you are right . I have same impression about toki 11-16, got it for landscapes,some vacation pics, but i capture compressed images without focal range flexibility.
For example below, taken while driving towards Mount Robson,BC, was looking impressive from my point of view, but at 16mm, my max focal lenght, Tokina capture a lot of bushes left and right,lots of sky and ashphalt but the center subject,the highest peak in Canadian Rockies looks like a bump.:cry:

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here is a crop from same photo, about 15% of the original dimensions, and this is what i could see with naked eyes;
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Aug 24, 2010 12:10 |  #32

I have a hard time with this exact choice. I went the Sigma route with the 10-20 and 17-70. 10mm is very wide, but it is also not really for every shot. Most of the time I end up in the middle of the 10-20 zoom range and then I might as well have just used the 17-70. I also hate feeling like if I just take the 17-70 I might need something wider, so I have to bring both lenses. I feel like for probably 9/10 people, 15 is wide enough to forgo an ultrawide and you can bring only one uber-zoom.

So again, tough choice. Both are good options.


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Aug 24, 2010 13:27 |  #33

I haven't used my 11-16 in months but I still always bring it along "just in case".


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Aug 24, 2010 13:42 |  #34

msowsun wrote in post #10779593 (external link)
I haven't used my 11-16 in months but I still always bring it along "just in case".

So are you going to sell it, or are you telling me getting the 15-85 won't solve my problem? :lol:


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Aug 24, 2010 13:57 |  #35

I think the 15-85 will solve your problem.

I should point out the 11-16 stays in my bag most of the time, but when I go out on a long walk during the day, I like to cut down on the weight. That is when I remove the 11-16, 580EX II, extra batteries and chargers, remotes, cables, etc.


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Aug 24, 2010 16:04 |  #36

I'm thinking of selling my Canon 10-22mm for the same reason - I just can't shoot ultrawide. I'm not even sure that I want too. I certainly would love to take beautiful landscapes which the 10-22mm can but more likely around the 15-17mm range. This can also be done with the 15-85 which has a much more useful range.

The two things that bother me about the 15-85 mm are the vignetting at 15 mm and the price (too high!). BTW, I also have the 17-85 mm which I'm pretty happy with but its weakness is most certainly at the wide end.


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Aug 24, 2010 16:29 |  #37

tkbslc wrote in post #10779072 (external link)
I have a hard time with this exact choice. I went the Sigma route with the 10-20 and 17-70. 10mm is very wide, but it is also not really for every shot. Most of the time I end up in the middle of the 10-20 zoom range and then I might as well have just used the 17-70. I also hate feeling like if I just take the 17-70 I might need something wider, so I have to bring both lenses. I feel like for probably 9/10 people, 15 is wide enough to forgo an ultrawide and you can bring only one uber-zoom.

So again, tough choice. Both are good options.

I was in this exact same situation, and went with the 15-85is. For my shooting needs, it was the ideal solution, and I could not be happier. The 15-85 is a fine lens, and produces great results. It does not need to be stopped down to be sharp, which is a big plus. I snatched one up during the $100 rebate. If given the choice, I'd do it all over again.


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Aug 24, 2010 17:11 |  #38

Getting the 10-22 as my next lens before I hope on the 7D train. (Still pretty satisfied with my XS, but would like better ISO)


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Aug 24, 2010 17:16 |  #39

The USM/FTM and build quality of the 15-85 to me is a huge upgrade over the kit lens. I also like how it can be a one lens solution is certain situations.

If you can afford it, get a used 15-85 and 10-20.


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Aug 24, 2010 23:08 |  #40

From what I gather, the 10-22 does the 15-22 range much better than the 15-85 does, is this correct?

So if you are after wide angle, then the 10-22 + 18-55 combination is much better off. But if you want a lens that can go to 15mm if you occasionally need to, then perhaps look at the 15-85?

the 15-85 seems much better at 85 than it is at 15 from the test pics I have seen.


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Aug 24, 2010 23:12 |  #41

kobeson wrote in post #10782829 (external link)
From what I gather, the 10-22 does the 15-22 range much better than the 15-85 does, is this correct?

So if you are after wide angle, then the 10-22 + 18-55 combination is much better off. But if you want a lens that can go to 15mm if you occasionally need to, then perhaps look at the 15-85?

the 15-85 seems much better at 85 than it is at 15 from the test pics I have seen.

Depends what you mean by better....

Less distortion? Sharper?

The 15-85 has a faster aperture and has IS in that range...


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Aug 24, 2010 23:25 |  #42

I meant sharpness - both seem to suffer from CA, the option of the IS is definitely an advantage to the 10-22, whether or not it is needed is another question. And yes, f4 vs f3.5 at 15mm.

I saw some sample pics at 15mm and it didn't seem as sharp as at 85.

Actually, going by this they seem more on par - http://www.the-digital-picture.com …&SampleComp=0&F​LI=2&API=0 (external link)


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Aug 24, 2010 23:25 |  #43

kobeson wrote in post #10782829 (external link)
the 15-85 seems much better at 85 than it is at 15 from the test pics I have seen.

Most of the tests seem to say the wide end is better, but to me it is equally awesome at either end, and everywhere in between.

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The resolution characteristic of the EF-S 15-85mm IS is quite impressive at most focal lengths. The sweet spot is located in the wider portion. The center resolution is exceptionally high at 15mm and 24mm and the borders and even the corners remain on a very good level throughout the tested aperture range. There's a drop in border performance at 50mm with only good results @ f/5. However, stopping down boosts the quality towards very good levels again. 85mm is the weakest setting with only good borders although the center resolution remains very decent.


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Aug 25, 2010 18:23 |  #44

Oh well there you go - the sample shots I was looking at were definitely inferior at 15 and quite sharp at 85, maybe it was a dud copy.


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Aug 26, 2011 21:31 as a reply to  @ kobeson's post |  #45

I was all about the wide angle lens and got the Tokina 12-24mm and loved it for landscape shooting. But see something you want to to a picture of, like a person, a bird or just something else you really can't without going to your bag, pulling our your other lens and changing lenses.. by then your new subject is gone or you got dust in your camera and it's a big hassle.. just for a couple extra mm..
I sold my wide angle and bought the 15-85mm so I can be happy in all situations.


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