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Aug 12, 2010 12:39 |  #31

i've borrowed a friends 10-20 Sigma a couple of times now and always found myself shooting @ 10mm for 99% of the time, for this reason, i'm looking at the sigma 10 2.8


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Aug 12, 2010 12:48 |  #32

What do you mean by "angle of view"?


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Aug 12, 2010 12:49 |  #33

No screw on CPL filters on the 8-16 makes it a non-contender to me.


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Aug 12, 2010 14:20 |  #34

Bobster wrote in post #10708804 (external link)
i've borrowed a friends 10-20 Sigma a couple of times now and always found myself shooting @ 10mm for 99% of the time, for this reason, i'm looking at the sigma 10 2.8

How does the sharpness compare? Is it the 3.5 fixed or the 4-5.6 version of the 10-20?


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Aug 12, 2010 14:29 |  #35

shanec26 wrote in post #10708858 (external link)
What do you mean by "angle of view"?

My explanation may not be complete so any experts out there be free to provide critique. The angle of view is how much of the subject is presented on the sensor. For example, I believe my Tamron 10-22mm zoom exposes about 108 degrees of the view in front of the camera. In other words from the point of the focal plane in your camera outward you seeing 108 degrees wide. To put that into perspective, my 500mm presents about an 8 degree wide field of view on the sensor.

I hope this makes sense.


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Aug 12, 2010 14:29 |  #36

Dan C wrote in post #10709457 (external link)
How does the sharpness compare? Is it the 3.5 fixed or the 4-5.6 version of the 10-20?

no idea about sharpness comparisons, but im guessing the prime will be sharper than the 3.5 version i've borrowed


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Aug 12, 2010 15:24 as a reply to  @ Bobster's post |  #37

snoop99 wrote in post #10328260 (external link)
Tokina 11-16;) there is reason the lens always sold out at B&H.

yeah, because tokina doesn't import enough of them... Yes there's a demand for them, but don't believe that the demand is that much greater than the supply....

OP, read these:
http://www.juzaphoto.c​om …-16mm_review_vs_12-24.htm (external link)
http://www.juzaphoto.c​om …s_canon_tamron_​tokina.htm (external link)

if you have the money, IMHO it comes down to the canon, siggy 8-16 and tokina 11-16mm. If you want 2.8, it's the tokina. If you want filters it's the canon or tokina. If you want CRAZY wide, but bigger and heavier, it's the siggy. The siggy is an awesome lens for sure, I had the 12-24mm version on FF for years and loved it. But I've switched to a kit that can take filters since then and prefer it. Eventually I'll probably have both though. You CAN use filters FYI, it's just a PITA:
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all the UWA for crop are pretty awesome though, you just have to figure out what YOU want to get out of them.


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Aug 12, 2010 15:37 |  #38

Another good review here - http://www.pbase.com/l​ightrules/1022v1116 (external link)

They like the Tokina better. Biggest surprise to me was how far the Tokina outperformed the Canon at the sharpness towards the frame border.


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Aug 12, 2010 15:38 |  #39

shanec26 wrote in post #10709939 (external link)
They like the Tokina better.

not universally though, the canon has less CA, less flare and less distortion, if any of that matters to how you use your wide...


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Aug 28, 2010 09:36 |  #40

I have used all three. Canon for about a year, Tokina 1.5, and Sigma since it came out. Used on many trips on the first two, and a long 2-month trip to Asia including 3 weeks in Tibet with the Sigma.

First about some misinformation I read in this thread. Forget using a filter on the Sigma. If you leave that plastic ring on the lens, you'll find vignetting even at 16mm, and basically looking through a circle at 8mm. Also, the Sigma is not big and heavy. It has the smallest diameter and is the easiest to carry around among the three lenses, especially if you add the mandatory hoods of the Canon or Tokina. It is also lighter than the Tokina.

Now to my subjective impressions:

Canon - Best flare control and least distortion. Quietest and quickest focusing, though it is not that important in this type of lenses.

Tokina - Sharpest. Most prone to flare. Significant barrel distortion at 11mm - though goes away quickly at around 12, the other two has little or no barrel at 11. And then my original lens that I had used on the 40D for 1.5 year won't focus properly on the 7D, and neither would a replacement from Tokina. So, 7D owners beware.

Sigma - In general, it controls flare fairly well - note that flares often show as one light single-color patch, PLUS one very small, but very bright tri-color spot that is very visible. If that little spot (only a few pixels in diameter) falls in the right place, it can easily be removed with post-processing. It is not as sharp as the Tokina, but is sharp enough for me. There is some barrel at 8mm, but less than the Tokina at 11mm. I have read some reviews that say there's some complex barrel/pincushion at certain focal length, which may be true. It is not for critical architectural work.

Anyways, if my Tokina had been focusing properly on my 7D, I wouldn't have switched. But since I have switched, I am also very happy with the Sigma and am not switching to anything else. I love the sharpness of the Tokina, but 2.8 while very nice turns out to be a little less important since my 7D has better high-ISO than my previous 400D and 40D.

Canon at 10mm. Not much flare, minimal distortion at 10mm:

IMAGE: http://rkkwan.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v0/p353909954-4.jpg

Tokina at 11mm. See the rainbow in bottom left:
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Tokina at 11mm. See flare and you can see barrel distortion fairly easily:
IMAGE: http://rkkwan.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v0/p22936830-4.jpg

Sigma at 10mm. Flare, but not the bright spot I mentioned. I will try to find some examples:
IMAGE: http://rkkwan.zenfolio.com/img/s10/v16/p151094694-4.jpg

Sigma at 14mm. You can see the small but intense tri-color spot:
IMAGE: http://rkkwan.zenfolio.com/img/s9/v15/p78199564-4.jpg

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Aug 28, 2010 10:04 |  #41

It will be interesting to see how the new Canon 8-15mm f4L compares with the Sigma 8-16 f4-5.6 DC HSM.


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Aug 28, 2010 10:19 |  #42

soleful2001 wrote in post #10805665 (external link)
It will be interesting to see how the new Canon 8-15mm f4L compares with the Sigma 8-16 f4-5.6 DC HSM.

But that's a fisheye.


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Aug 28, 2010 10:23 |  #43

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But that's a fisheye.

I think it may be a fisheye for a full frame, but not for the crop frame. Maybe a little off topic, but I own the Tamron 10 - 24 paid about $450.00 and am very satisfied with the performance. I noticed that no one mentioned it in this thread.


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Aug 28, 2010 10:32 |  #44

soleful2001 wrote in post #10805727 (external link)
I think it may be a fisheye for a full frame, but not for the crop frame. Maybe a little off topic, but I own the Tamron 10 - 24 paid about $450.00 and am very satisfied with the performance. I noticed that no one mentioned it in this thread.

Fisheye is a fisheye. It may fill the frame or not, but "distortion" is not corrected, i.e. straight lines on the edge of the frame will and should look curved. Different category from the UWA lenses we are talking about here.


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Aug 28, 2010 10:41 |  #45

thanks for the clarification


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