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Aug 29, 2010 12:21 |  #61

Depending on street and reviews, it might be a great lens for me.

The MTFs look good (though I have really no idea what I'm looking at really. I just *think* they appear good.

The weight isn't a huge deal, and as long as it's right at around f/4 (maybe 4.5) @ 200mm, it's more range than the 70-200 f/4L IS.

It really depends on street... If it's too much, I'll "settle" for a f/4 IS.


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Aug 29, 2010 12:23 |  #62

Snydremark wrote in post #10810962 (external link)
Why do the new, high MP sensors make a difference for this? The size of the 70-300 is only about an inch shorter than, say a 70-200 f/4 but it weights more. If I need a travel lens that covers this range and has those apertures, I'd pull out my Tammy 18-270 VC.

I'm curious to see how the thing sells, though. It and the 60D seem to me like odd products designed to fill holes in their market that I don't understand or see.

the L lens will resolve better, allowing you to crop more aggressively.

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Aug 29, 2010 12:27 |  #63

I can't wait to see the reviews on this one. High ISO capability just keeps getting better and better. I don't see the speed as being that limiting. I'm thinking that a 5DII, 24-105, and this puppy would make a nice compact FF kit. I'm trying to figure out what I am taking to San Diego in a couple weeks and I'm not sure I want to haul around a 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 everywhere.




  
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Aug 29, 2010 12:28 |  #64

Anders Östberg wrote in post #10810874 (external link)
Or maybe some of those who won't buy this lens do know what they are talking about, because within this focal range they tend to need more speed despite having the best high-ISO cameras? :-)

Canon has, as I interpret it, already stated that this lens is not intended for such photographers though.

i'm always skeptical of guys who know what they are talking about even before a product is released. in fact if i were to believe everything guys who know what they are talking about say in the six months AFTER a product release the 40d would have better IQ than the 5dc and the 7d the best hi ISO camera made by canon.

thanx, but i'll reserve judgement for now :D.

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Aug 29, 2010 12:29 |  #65

WayneHawn wrote in post #10810673 (external link)
Exactly. I don't think the 70-300 L is aimed at people who already own a 70-200. To someone who has already invested in a 70-200, the lens would be largely redundant (unless you have money to burn). It is aimed at people like me who think the 70-200 is too short. I have been looking for something between the short 70-200 and the big and heavy 100-400.

See the thing is, that if you need longer than 200mm on your 70-200 f/2.8 you can add a 2x TC to it and get a 140-400 f/5.6 as stated. This way when you need a fast telephoto at say 150mm you won't be stuck with the 70-300 at f/4/5.6, you'll just use the 70-200 w/o TC.


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Aug 29, 2010 12:39 |  #66

fedaykin wrote in post #10811089 (external link)
See the thing is, that if you need longer than 200mm on your 70-200 f/2.8 you can add a 2x TC to it and get a 140-400 f/5.6 as stated. This way when you need a fast telephoto at say 150mm you won't be stuck with the 70-300 at f/4/5.6, you'll just use the 70-200 w/o TC.

My point exactly. If you already have a 70-200 this lens does not make a lot of sense. I have not bought a 70-200 because it is too short for what I want it to do. So, I would be looking at spending between $1500 and $2500 for a 70-200, plus $200-$500 for a 1.4TC or a 2.0TC, versus spending $1200-$1500 for the 70-300L. So, I could spend twice as much for the ideal 70-200 set up, or get the 70-300.

Again, most of the people saying this lens makes no sense are saying, "I can just add a TC to what I ALREADY HAVE." I don't think this lens is aimed at people who are already happy with (or own) a 70-200. It is aimed at people like me who are not happy with the range of a 70-200.


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Aug 29, 2010 12:40 |  #67

fedaykin wrote in post #10811089 (external link)
See the thing is, that if you need longer than 200mm on your 70-200 f/2.8 you can add a 2x TC to it and get a 140-400 f/5.6 as stated. This way when you need a fast telephoto at say 150mm you won't be stuck with the 70-300 at f/4/5.6, you'll just use the 70-200 w/o TC.

Exactly.

Even if you have a 70-200 f/4 you can add 1.4x TC. Still rather have that than the 70-300.


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Aug 29, 2010 12:44 |  #68

ed rader wrote in post #10811087 (external link)
i'm always skeptical of guys who know what they are talking about even before a product is released. in fact if i were to believe everything guys who know what they are talking about say in the six months AFTER a product release the 40d would have better IQ than the 5dc and the 7d the best hi ISO camera made by canon.

thanx, but i'll reserve judgement for now :D.

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Well, it's not rocket science ... the focal length is known, the max aperture is known, I know what subjects I shoot and what the conditions tend to be. Even if this lens is ridiculously sharp wide open it still won't cut it for indoor sports and it's too short for birds. I don't need a travel lens. So, even before it's released, let alone tested, I don't hesitate to say it's not for me. On the other hand I have no problem seeing there may well be many great uses for others.

I could see one possible use for it, for outdoor (motor)sports even though I'd hate having to up the ISOs even more than I already have to when the light gets lower in the afternoon/evening.


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Aug 29, 2010 12:45 |  #69

dinanm3atl wrote in post #10811117 (external link)
Exactly.

Even if you have a 70-200 f/4 you can add 1.4x TC. Still rather have that than the 70-300.

the 70-200 f4 takes a 1.4 very well but AF takes a hit. personally i hate TCs and don't use them. if i had a lens like the 500L i would use a 1.4 TC but not a 2x.

the 70-300L is also smaller and lighter that the 70-200L f2.8 IS. if the IQ is close i'll bet it will be a very popular lens. now, i'm not saying it'll be a replacement for a constant f2.8 zoom. obviously it won't.

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Aug 29, 2010 12:54 |  #70

Anders Östberg wrote in post #10811130 (external link)
Well, it's not rocket science ... the focal length is known, the max aperture is known, I know what subjects I shoot and what the conditions tend to be. Even if this lens is ridiculously sharp wide open it still won't cut it for indoor sports and it's too short for birds. I don't need a travel lens. So, even before it's released, let alone tested, I don't hesitate to say it's not for me. On the other hand I have no problem seeing there may well be many great uses for others.

I could see one possible use for it, for outdoor (motor)sports even though I'd hate having to up the ISOs even more than I already have to when the light gets lower in the afternoon/evening.

i was just speaking in general, not about your specific needs. i know you have experience and know what you need. in general i'm not willing to carry heavy lenses even when i'm not travelling. i also think that lens speed isn't as critical for the non-specialized user.

my point is alot of guys just squawk about lens speed as a matter of course without considering other aspects of a lens.

i now use the 100-400L alot with the 1d mark III. how would the 70-300L + 1d mark IV compare? or say coupled with on the 1ds mark IV which will probably be 32mp?

sure everyone wants a constant f4 zoom in this range but many are clueless about the size, weight and cost of such a lens.

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Aug 29, 2010 13:00 |  #71

Anders Östberg wrote in post #10811130 (external link)
Well, it's not rocket science ... the focal length is known, the max aperture is known, I know what subjects I shoot and what the conditions tend to be. Even if this lens is ridiculously sharp wide open it still won't cut it for indoor sports and it's too short for birds. I don't need a travel lens. So, even before it's released, let alone tested, I don't hesitate to say it's not for me. On the other hand I have no problem seeing there may well be many great uses for others.

I could see one possible use for it, for outdoor (motor)sports even though I'd hate having to up the ISOs even more than I already have to when the light gets lower in the afternoon/evening.

Very true . In the spring at baseball games we can go from bright sunshine to cloudy skies very fast . That one stop , for me would be a killer . I will have the 7D in the spring , but I still don't want to deal with 5.6.

But others with different needs , might not mind paying the high price.


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Aug 29, 2010 13:00 |  #72

ed rader wrote in post #10811135 (external link)
the 70-200 f4 takes a 1.4 very well but AF takes a hit. personally i hate TCs and don't use them. if i had a lens like the 500L i would use a 1.4 TC but not a 2x.

the 70-300L is also smaller and lighter that the 70-200L f2.8 IS. if the IQ is close i'll bet it will be a very popular lens. now, i'm not saying it'll be a replacement for a constant f2.8 zoom. obviously it won't.

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Multiple people have said this. 70-200 f/2.8 IS + 2x TC I have shot IRL, Conti and Grand Am. I find it snappy and accurate. This is in regards to panning and 'action' shots.

Of course I would also rather have a 300mm and 400mm prime... not in the budget.


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Aug 29, 2010 13:12 |  #73

ed rader wrote in post #10811162 (external link)
i was just speaking in general, not about your specific needs. i know you have experience and know what you need. in general i'm not willing to carry heavy lenses even when i'm not travelling. i also think that lens speed isn't as critical for the non-specialized user.

my point is alot of guys just squawk about lens speed as a matter of course without considering other aspects of a lens.

i now use the 100-400L alot with the 1d mark III. how would the 70-300L + 1d mark IV compare? or say coupled with on the 1ds mark IV which will probably be 32mp?

sure everyone wants a constant f4 zoom in this range but many are clueless about the size, weight and cost of such a lens.

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3 + pounds . Price wise , with IS/OS , over $2000.


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Aug 29, 2010 13:15 as a reply to  @ post 10807735 |  #74

Well its not for me but im sure it will sell well.


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Aug 29, 2010 13:24 |  #75

dinanm3atl wrote in post #10811117 (external link)
Exactly.

Even if you have a 70-200 f/4 you can add 1.4x TC. Still rather have that than the 70-300.

If it doesn't hit f/4.5-5.0 until after ~200mm, exactly what do you gain? Size difference isn't enormous, nor is the weight increase.

Then you're limited on the short end (requiring you to take the TC off) AND are at a constant f/5.6 no matter what.

So again, if pricing isn't retarded, how is this any different?


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