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Sep 08, 2010 23:01 |  #1

First post here, so go easy on me :)

I've had a Rebel XS/1000D with the 18-55 and 75-300 lens kit for a little over a year. This was my first foray into a dSLR, though I shot with a Minolta X-700 for quite a few years prior to diving into a dSLR, and also and took photography in high school many moons ago.

What I've learned in the last year..... The body is OK, but lacks features I want, the 75-300 lens is soft, and the 18-55 kit lens is adequate. My wife has given me her partial blessing to start doing what I should have done in the first place, and buy better gear.

I'm posting in the lens forum as I'm planning on upgrading the lenses first, and then the body, unless I get serious advice otherwise.

My first lens I'd like to buy/replace is a telephoto, and I'm looking at the 70-200L 2.8 IS. Is it worth it for me to buy the mkII, or will the mkI be sufficient.

My shooting is going to be more of the kids in the park, trips to the zoo, though I love aviation, so that's also a priority. I know with the 1.4 TC I can probably get better reach out of the 70-200, and it's a better walkaround lens than something like the 100-400L push/pull.

I will eventually be looking at something like the 7D, though I haven't ruled out the 60D either. The AF points and frame rate of the 7D attract me, while the price point of the 60D attract me (though i worry about regretting not spending the money in the first place like I did with the Rebel XS)

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Sep 08, 2010 23:18 |  #2

How about considering the 70-200 f4 IS, then saving the money for body upgrade.


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Sep 08, 2010 23:23 |  #3

I've considered that as well, the two things holding me back are:
- my son plays hockey, and the rinks are lit so-so
- with a 1.4TC on there, the aperture is getting perhaps a little high for shooting aviation with a cloudy sky (as is bound to happen in BC...)


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Sep 09, 2010 05:08 |  #4

Fair enough but bare in mind a better body could counter this with ISO. 500D will use ISO 3200 and even 6400 and get very decent results and the 7D's will be slightly better. With this in mind the f4 version might be a good idea. The problem with the 2.8 versions are its 1 stop of light faster but twice as heave and fat.... this is a big difference. You would prob be better off getting primes for low light stuff as they open up much wider than 2.8

Just my opinion of course.

in decent light i would imagine even f5.6 would give fast enough shutters. Just set your ISO to 1600.

If it is of any help at all this is what i use and why and what i plan to buy

sigma 10-20 for landscape and general ultrawide fun
50 1.8 for indoors, low light stuff
70-200 f4 L for outside stuff like zoo, park etc etc
I basically never use my 18-55.

I plan to buy 2 more primes.
35 f2 for indoors where i need a bit wider than the 50 provides
85 f1.8 as a good alround fast tele prime. Good for indoor close ups as well as things like sports and dogs running in the park.

It can be really tempting to buy one lens to cover many things but for a lot cheaper and less weight, you could buy a 70-200 f4 and a 135 f2 L. The 135 would be amazing for indoor action that requires some telephoto while the 70-200 should cover your outside daylight needs.

Also i think the canon 100-400 is lighter than the 70-200 f2.8.... shows you how big that thing is.


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Sep 09, 2010 08:07 |  #5

If you haven't already done so, I'd suggest you go to a camera store and handle the 70-200 f2.8 IS before making your final decision. I used to own the non-IS version, which I purchased for exactly the same use you intend to make of yours - kids' activities, sports, family outings to the zoo and the park, etc. - and I ended up selling it, primarily because of the weight. I just found it not fun to lug such a heavy lens around with me, and it ended up staying home most of the time because of that. I replaced it with the f4 IS version, and couldn't be happier. Some people aren't bothered by the weight of the f2.8 lenses, but I was. It's worth checking first. As an aside, my f2.8 still wasn't fast enough to get really good shots in our local skating rink, where the lighting is poor to say the least.


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Sep 09, 2010 08:17 |  #6

They say lens over body.. but I think you would be better off upgrading both in balance. Assuming you have the money available to 70-200L II, I would use the money like this.

First sell the Rebel and 75-300.

Since you like the 18-55mm, I would maybe add a fast prime in that focal length first.
- Canon 50mm f/1.8 II or Sigma 30mm f/1.4 or Canon 50mm f/1.4 depending on your preference

For telephoto,
- Canon 70-200L f/4 IS or Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 or Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MK1 (you may have enough to buy this once you sell off your current gear). I don''t think you need to get the MK2 yet.. People say it's worth every dollar (and I agree) but I think MK1 is plenty to handle for now. Plus, price of MK2 will come down by the time you get used to the MK1 and want more.

For Camera,
- Canon 50D or 7D for cropped (maybe even wait for 60D)
- If you want full frame, 5D classic would be a nice starting point.


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Sep 09, 2010 08:31 |  #7

go to a camera store and handle the 70-200 f2.8 IS

+5 on that one.

As people say here often, a lens left at home never gets a you good picture. That was the main reason why I went with f/4 IS, which is 23 ounces (2.8 is 51ounces, and your 75-300 is 16ounces). 70-200 is a good lens for your zoo use (and most other walk around uses).

For kid's indoors (not ice hockey though) use a 50mm 1.8 or 1.4 (canon or sigma) or sigma 30mm 1.4. Sigmas are known to have QC issues (but you can always exchange it or get it fixed free) but when you get a good copy they are often better. I use my Canon 50mm 1.4 for my indoor shots and have shot thousands of pictures.


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Sep 09, 2010 08:42 |  #8

nemesis47 wrote in post #10877602 (external link)
+5 on that one.

As people say here often, a lens left at home never gets a you good picture. That was the main reason why I went with f/4 IS, which is 23 ounces (2.8 is 51ounces, and your 75-300 is 16ounces). 70-200 is a good lens for your zoo use (and most other walk around uses).

For kid's indoors (not ice hockey though) use a 50mm 1.8 or 1.4 (canon or sigma) or sigma 30mm 1.4. Sigmas are known to have QC issues (but you can always exchange it or get it fixed free) but when you get a good copy they are often better. I use my Canon 50mm 1.4 for my indoor shots and have shot thousands of pictures.

I also agree with trying out the lens at a camera store.

As for shooting indoor sports, I wouldn't recommend 50mm or a 30mm.. they are just not long enough in 90% of the cases. 70-200mm would be the choice.. otherwise, long primes ie. 135mm, 200mm, 300mm. Maybe even a 85mm f/1.8


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Sep 09, 2010 08:49 as a reply to  @ sangjiny's post |  #9

I didnt say use 50mm for indoor "sports".. unless running behind a 2 year old is "sports".. :)


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Sep 09, 2010 09:59 as a reply to  @ nemesis47's post |  #10

Gotcha. my bad, I agree with fast primes as stated from my original reply.


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Sep 10, 2010 20:10 |  #11

Thanks for the replies all.

Now I'm kinda leaning towards the 70-200 F/4 IS, perhaps a fast prime for indoor hockey (maybe the 100 f/2.8L?) and a walkaround.

But, if I wanted to have a good lens for shooting aircraft a couple of times a year, including an airshow, what would the recommendation be there?


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