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Sep 18, 2010 04:20 |  #46

Snydremark wrote in post #10923919 (external link)
It may also have a 4 stop rated IS system, but the one in the f/4 lens is significantly older in design and I strongly suspect not as effective.

The f/4L IS lens came out a bit over 3 years ago and has the same 4-stop 4th gen IS system, fyi.

The MarkII now has the same IS system as the f/4L IS and finally caught up with it's sharpness.


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Sep 18, 2010 04:20 |  #47

I got the Mark I version and I'm more than happy with it; I got it for £1000 in great condition, half the price of the Mark 2 new, so for me there is just no contest. I will never spend that much on lenses; I have yet to buy a new lens (and probably never will, because I simply don't need to). Ebay FTW.


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Sep 18, 2010 11:26 |  #48

00dahc wrote in post #10931127 (external link)
The f/4L IS lens came out a bit over 3 years ago and has the same 4-stop 4th gen IS system, fyi...

Can anyone actually verify this one way or the other? Everything I've read at the release of the MkII stated that it was a completely redesigned IS system.

So, now I'm curious


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Sep 18, 2010 11:55 |  #49

Snydremark wrote in post #10932190 (external link)
Can anyone actually verify this one way or the other? Everything I've read at the release of the MkII stated that it was a completely redesigned IS system.

So, now I'm curious

It is, compared to MK1, not compared to f/4 IS. The f/4 IS was the first Canon lens to use that 4-stop IS system.


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Sep 18, 2010 12:56 |  #50
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If you don't need the f/2.8 you could always get the f4 IS, that is just as sharp.

Or, get the version I. It's still quite good of a lens.


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Sep 18, 2010 13:29 |  #51

nemesis47 wrote in post #10932294 (external link)
It is, compared to MK1, not compared to f/4 IS. The f/4 IS was the first Canon lens to use that 4-stop IS system.

Where does this info come from, though.


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Sep 18, 2010 13:50 |  #52

Snydremark wrote in post #10932595 (external link)
Where does this info come from, though.

the same place that your suspicions that the f4 IS system is worse than the MK II's...:D...since when did 3 years become significantly older anyways?

dpreview lists the specs on both the lenses as having the 4 stop IS, and the original 2.8 IS as having 3 stops

i always thought the different IS generations were based on the number of stops..1 stop= 1st generation IS..2 stops= 2nd generation, and so on...i'd think if the new lens had a newer generation of IS it'd be 5 stops...


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Sep 18, 2010 14:32 |  #53

Waiting for the brown truck to deliver mine ANY minute now! I sold my mark I because I wanted the sharpness of the mark II and the extra stop in IS. For me, my 70-200 is prob my most used lens these days and that being the case I was happy to let go of a couple others I never use to fund it. But the increase in IQ and the IS upgrade were both big pushes too. And the fact that the reviews EVERYWHERE are extremely good for the mark II was the final push.


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Sep 18, 2010 15:35 |  #54

DreDaze wrote in post #10932672 (external link)
the same place that your suspicions that the f4 IS system is worse than the MK II's...:D...since when did 3 years become significantly older anyways...

That's why I ask :p...neither side of the 'argument' has a concrete definition on what is in each one. In DPR's review of the MkII, they refer to it as next generation. In terms of electronics, a system that is 3-4 years old isn't generally called "next gen.", so I took that to mean that the system was built from the ground up to go in the MkII. I just want accurate info on the hardware, but haven't been able to find any concrete answer in any of Canon's specs.

It's really just for my own reference at this point, anyway. Justifying a purchase is a personal thing that others' opinions are going to differ on.

EDIT: FWIW, I just called Canon service to ask the question and they said the system in the MkII is, indeed, a newer version IS system than in the F/4 model. Now, is there anyone here in the Seattle area with an f/4 IS?


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Sep 18, 2010 18:10 |  #55

00dahc wrote in post #10931127 (external link)
The f/4L IS lens came out a bit over 3 years ago and has the same 4-stop 4th gen IS system, fyi.

The MarkII now has the same IS system as the f/4L IS and finally caught up with it's sharpness.

This.


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Sep 18, 2010 18:16 |  #56

The mark 2 is realllll sharp.


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Sep 18, 2010 18:17 |  #57

Snydremark wrote in post #10933053 (external link)
EDIT: FWIW, I just called Canon service to ask the question and they said the system in the MkII is, indeed, a newer version IS system than in the F/4 model. Now, is there anyone here in the Seattle area with an f/4 IS?

Nope... ^^^ This ^^^


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Sep 18, 2010 18:20 |  #58

Snydremark wrote in post #10933053 (external link)
EDIT: FWIW, I just called Canon service to ask the question and they said the system in the MkII is, indeed, a newer version IS system than in the F/4 model. Now, is there anyone here in the Seattle area with an f/4 IS?

i do kinda wonder what would happen if you called again...that whole telephone customer service roulette thing...as far as with other companies...it always seems like the answer depends on who you get answering the phone


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Sep 18, 2010 18:36 |  #59

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Nope... ^^^ This ^^^

Seems like 4 stops is the same as 4 stops to me. ;)


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Sep 18, 2010 18:46 |  #60

DreDaze wrote in post #10933704 (external link)
i do kinda wonder what would happen if you called again...that whole telephone customer service roulette thing...as far as with other companies...it always seems like the answer depends on who you get answering the phone

Call 'em and see what answer 'you' get :) There's always the chance with call centers, I suppose.


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